P.K. Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 One of the biggest problems shown up in the current tory administration is the way they pick their leader/PM. It's down to the membership which is thought to consist of about 160k people but the tories will not release the actual number. Anyway it's because of them that the UK ended up with several PM's that were eminently unsuitable for high office and who went on to do untold damage to the UK and it's standing on the world stage. What we know about them: 63% of Conservative Party members are male, and 37% female 6% are under 24-years-old, 36% are aged 25 to 49-years-old, 19% are aged between 50 and 64-years-old, and 39% are over 65 24% backed Remain in the EU referendum, and 76% backed Leave 56% live in London and the south-east of England, 18% in the Midlands and Wales, 20% in the north of England and 6% in Scotland 80% belong to the highest social economic groups known as ABC1 They are so far removed from the electorate that they are known as the "selectorate". They all have one thing in common though - they have a great deal to answer for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 13 hours ago, woolley said: That's all there is to it. Vive la paranoia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 13 hours ago, woolley said: That's all there is to it. Vive la paranoia! ETA : WTF? Edited May 9 by P.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 So another Brexit Bingo term I am hearing on listening back to the "Brexit idiot best bits" of LBC is this: "I voted Leave to show those in government what I think about them because they don't care about us (caller is usually from a 'poorer' area in the North)". Well you really showed the multi-millionaires Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Farage (as well as their wealthy non-dom financial backers) a thing or two. How is the worsening situation in your area after voting to Leave (ignoring that fact that the Tories have been in power for 80 of the last 120 year)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 56 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said: So another Brexit Bingo term I am hearing on listening back to the "Brexit idiot best bits" of LBC is this: "I voted Leave to show those in government what I think about them because they don't care about us (caller is usually from a 'poorer' area in the North)". Well you really showed the multi-millionaires Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Farage (as well as their wealthy non-dom financial backers) a thing or two. How is the worsening situation in your area after voting to Leave (ignoring that fact that the Tories have been in power for 80 of the last 120 year)? Like this post, and a lot of the mutterings from PK there seems to be an awful lot of conflation between the Tory Party woes and the Brexit vote itself. Yes one may have begat the other but they are two distinct issues. I guess we are fortunate in that it was as a result of the divisions in the Tory party the people got the chance to have their say on the UK,’s continuing membership of the EU. But once the referendum was announced it was all about whether the electorate wanted to stay or leave, not to give the Government a bloody nose, (despite your quote from one uninformed lone caller quoted in your second paragraph) Anyway the people spoke and voted to Leave, however much those in the Remain camp want to ascribe it to racism, ignorance or whatever. Surely time now for you to get over it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Get over it! Lol. Remember this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 14 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Surely time now for you to get over it? Get over it? People had rights and privileges snatched away from them by a portion of the country that had no idea A) what they were voting for or B) the true outcomes of the outcome of their decision. We are going to be feeling the negative affects for generations, and you want to "get over it" Quote despite your quote from one uninformed lone caller quoted in your second paragraph Sadly, contrary to your hopeful wishing, there is countless hours of callers like this person. You only have to go on Youtube and type "brexit regrets" to see plenty of those who though they were "sticking it to the toffs" only to later realise they were only shooting themselves in the foot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 5 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Get over it! Lol. Remember this? Yes get over it. Take any General Election manifesto from any party and you can always put your own interpretation of it, picking holes in it after the event. There’s still a lot to be done. You can’t undo forty years of subservience in an instance and yes mistakes have been made along the way. We were at one time promised a golden future within the EU. Well that didn’t happen did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said: Get over it? People had rights and privileges snatched away from them by a portion of the country that had no idea A) what they were voting for or B) the true outcomes of the outcome of their decision. We are going to be feeling the negative affects for generations, and you want to "get over it" Sadly, contrary to your hopeful wishing, there is countless hours of callers like this person. You only have to go on Youtube and type "brexit regrets" to see plenty of those who though they were "sticking it to the toffs" only to later realise they were only shooting themselves in the foot. Some ancient wisdom for you:- Desiderata Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. --- Translated by Max Ehrmann, 1927 --- Author unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 20 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Some ancient wisdom for you:- Desiderata Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. --- Translated by Max Ehrmann, 1927 --- Author unknown Unlike the Brexit regretful, I won't fall for pointless waffle. Did you have an actual point to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 27 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: We were at one time promised a golden future within the EU. Well that didn’t happen did it? You mean other than the measurable and real world benefits, such as freedom of movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said: Unlike the Brexit regretful, I won't fall for pointless waffle. Did you have an actual point to make? Well maybe just that you should chill a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Well maybe just that you should chill a little. I have no need to chill, but Brexiteers need to take some personal responsibility for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said: I have no need to chill, but Brexiteers need to take some personal responsibility for their actions. They won't though because they are stuck in the denial stage of grief for their Brexit dreams. I am surprised that the issue of 'sovereignty' has not raised it's head yet as this "prize" is worth paying anything for in the minds of certain people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 2 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: They won't though because they are stuck in the denial stage of grief for their Brexit dreams. I am surprised that the issue of 'sovereignty' has not raised it's head yet as this "prize" is worth paying anything for in the minds of certain people. The worst of it is when people say "oh we won't see the benefits for years/decades to come" they are the ones who will not be too adversely be affected, but the poor mugs who believed them in the poorest areas of the country will be hit the hardest. "Contempt for the conman, concern for the conned" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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