Roger Mexico Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: I don’t think this is correct. It was much later. https://www.gov.im/news/2023/feb/14/tim-johnston-mhk-appointed-to-the-council-of-ministers/ Sorry, you're right, I misread the table. Hooper was Minister for both DfE and DHSC from 10/11/22 to 14/2/23, though how much time he spent at DfE in that period is another matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Twitch said: I hear you on Tim Johnston but unfortunately sometimes you have to take the hit for mistakes made in the past. Wasn't he also a DFE member for some time in Business Isle of Man, so responsible for retail I assume. If DFE is as functional as it claims to be then he would have known all about procurement processes / issues well in advance and raised concerns at the time with the then Minister or officers. Nobody takes the hit for ANY mistakes made anytime . And it was Hooper who had the job share , after Rob Callister got moved on very quickly , between Dept of Health and DoE. What a brains trust that must have been 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Nobody takes the hit for ANY mistakes made anytime . And it was Hooper who had the job share , after Rob Callister got moved on very quickly , between Dept of Health and DoE. What a brains trust that must have been finger must point to Mr P and the motorsport division , and after Vision 9 he should have used up all his 9 lives by now , time for a clear out and get someone in with a passion for the TT and a better understanding of local involvement in the greater tourism economy and not just what suits him and the mates 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 8:25 AM, paswt said: whereas the best they could do with a £2 million + budget was get 3 modern sidecars to do a lap sidecars don't race at the MGP. This was a test of a new make of tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Gladys said: Perhaps I am being dense, but why don't they just licence the logo without getting involved with any of the merchandising and commercial aspects? greed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, kevster said: sidecars don't race at the MGP. This was a test of a new make of tyres I was referring to the TT 'sidecar celebration' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 According to iomtoday, the outstanding sum is £65k to local suppliers PLUS another, growing £160k to Govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 15 hours ago, Twitch said: Surely the Minister and CEO of DFE need to be accountable. The Minister ultimately responsible for all activities in any case. This isn't the only cock-up under Lewin's watch either. The department is so dysfunctional I don't think it matters who the minister is but Johnston seems particularly lightweight. 15 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Tim Johnston was only appointed in January 2023 and before that there was only a shared post between Dept of Health and DoE . Lewin was the CEO though . Also there had been 4 ministers I think from 2021. And I agree. Totally dysfunctional with seemingly no accountability or limit on their expenditure . Sounds to me like the person who really needs to resign is Lewin. Until the CEOs of dysfunctional departments are held accountable, nothing is ever going to change regardless of how many department ministers resign or get sacked. Getting rid of ministers is shuffling deck chairs while the ship is sinking, when they should be fixing the engine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, Zarley said: Sounds to me like the person who really needs to resign is Lewin. Until the CEOs of dysfunctional departments are held accountable, nothing is ever going to change regardless of how many department ministers resign or get sacked. Getting rid of ministers is shuffling deck chairs while the ship is sinking, when they should be fixing the engine. How is a senior CS removed from his or her post though. Clearly gross misconduct etc yes but anything else just doesn’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: How is a senior CS removed from his or her post though. Clearly gross misconduct etc yes but anything else just doesn’t happen. If Lewin had any self-respect he'd resign. What's stopping MHKs calling for him to do so? Is there a rule against them doing so, or is it just a case of "it's not the 'done' thing"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zarley said: If Lewin had any self-respect he'd resign. What's stopping MHKs calling for him to do so? Is there a rule against them doing so, or is it just a case of "it's not the 'done' thing"? Think revenue stream and benefits in staying…that’s why. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, Numbnuts said: Think revenue stream and benefits in staying…that’s why. . Are you saying thats why he wouldn't resign? Is there any reason why MHKs can't put the pressure on and call for his resignation? Maybe if MHKs made more noise about CEOs making a mess of things, the CEOs might be a bit more careful about ensuring due diligence has been carried out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zarley said: Are you saying thats why he wouldn't resign? Is there any reason why MHKs can't put the pressure on and call for his resignation? Maybe if MHKs made more noise about CEOs making a mess of things, the CEOs might be a bit more careful about ensuring due diligence has been carried out. In my opinion , and I think not just mine , the MHK’s are totally dependent on the CS and the CS know this. They have incredible power and on top of that CEO’s a salary in the region of 120k upwards . What do most of MHK’s really know about the workings of departments ? Very little I would say. Edited November 1, 2023 by Numbnuts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: In my opinion , and I think not just mine , the MHK’s are totally dependent on the CS and the CS know this. They have incredible power and on top of that CEO’s a salary in the region of 120k upwards . What do most of MHK’s really know about the workings of departments ? Very little I would say. But surely they know enough to understand losing £160,000+ of taxpayers money due to a lack of due diligence means the CEO is incompetent? Why do we allow incompetent people to hold power over us? Why do we give in to bullies? Why can't we at least fine the incompetence? Maybe that would sharpen a few minds. I just don't understand why senior civil servants are bullet-proof. Something's got to give and I'm sick and tired of it always being ordinary people who do the giving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Zarley said: I just don't understand why senior civil servants are bullet-proof. Something's got to give and I'm sick and tired of it always being ordinary people who do the giving. Is it possible for a civil servant to be demoted, rather than moving relentlessly up a standard pay spine regardless of performance, and if so has it ever actually happened? Or do they just get shifted sideways (or even upwards) to make them somebody else's problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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