Non-Believer Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 4 hours ago, Amadeus said: ....as compared to waterfall where you just get what you ordered even when it turns out halfway through the build that the final result will be shit. IoMG clearly subscribes to waterfall..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 7 hours ago, Amadeus said: You’re talking about agile which is a valid and good way to manage projects, create software, etc. The problem is that very few people do it right and so the daily standup turns into torture. Agile done right works but you need competent people running it the right way. Most companies say they are agile when they are half arsed. Sprints aren’t for the whole project but for bits of it to give you flexibility to change as compared to waterfall where you just get what you ordered even when it turns out halfway through the build that the final result will be shit. Agile and Sprint probably work when you know what the goal is and where you should be heading. i'm not sure IOM Government know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Or care, as long as it is not interfering with the cs pension. 🥳 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Moghrey Mie said: Agile and Sprint probably work when you know what the goal is and where you should be heading. i'm not sure IOM Government know that. I wonder what the Minimum Viable Product for the prom was. On second thought, I'm glad I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 9 hours ago, Amadeus said: You’re talking about agile which is a valid and good way to manage projects, Prototyping and design iteration have been around since the days when someone sat in a cave knocking two pieces of stone together to make a flint axe, with Raquel Welch wearing a fur bikini and looking on. Giving smart-arse names to common things does not suddenly make these things a new technique - although people in the software industry are very susceptible to this. I do not see software development as different to other manufacturing processes. If "scrums" are a good idea for business, tell that to Dandara. All the electricians and plumbers can start the day with a 10-minure stand-up meeting where they tell each other what they are doing. There are two types of projects: 1. A company decides to make a widget which can be used by everyone - but there is not a precise idea of what the potential customers want 2. A customer supplies a specification and another company builds it. If the customer changes it's mind, they get charged. 1.) is a subset of 2), because ultimately some manger has to set a cost and time limit to the development. Can you imagine the situation where the gov. runs projects where there are an infinite number of specification iterations permitted, people hang around in corridors having stand-up meetings where nothing is documented, people getting involved in all stand-up meetings and coming up with their own design ideas which means another iteration, "C-Suite" Civil Servants turning up for work wearing a T-shirt under a suit jacket. Nothing, absolutely nothing, would be completed. And it would cost.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: Can you imagine the situation where the gov. runs projects where there are an infinite number of specification iterations permitted, people hang around in corridors having stand-up meetings where nothing is documented, people getting involved in all stand-up meetings and coming up with their own design ideas which means another iteration Douglas Promenade encapsulated..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 They've got that iterative idea in Waste Management at DOI. It means they don't do anything and our Waste Strategy is rubbish. 'Unlike previous Strategies, the 2018 Strategy is not a single printed document. By its very nature a Strategy document, once published, is almost out of date the moment it is finalised, and its relevance in advising contemporary decision making decreases with age. The 2018 Strategy format is intended to be flexible, responsive and iterative.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: They've got that iterative idea in Waste Management at DOI. It means they don't do anything and our Waste Strategy is rubbish. 'Unlike previous Strategies, the 2018 Strategy is not a single printed document. By its very nature a Strategy document, once published, is almost out of date the moment it is finalised, and its relevance in advising contemporary decision making decreases with age. The 2018 Strategy format is intended to be flexible, responsive and iterative.' The most interesting thing about that is that it's complete nonsense. By definition a strategy isn't something that goes out of date quickly - it's broader and more long-lasting than that. There may be constant changes in how it is implemented, but the general principles that a strategy lays out should be pretty constant and only changed with great care. Of course even if it was true, such a document no longer needs to be 'printed' but could be changed easily online and published with great speed and with whatever extras were needed or linking to other documents. But it's now clear that to IOMG 'strategy' means nothing except 'random bullshit'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: The most interesting thing about that is that it's complete nonsense. By definition a strategy isn't something that goes out of date quickly - it's broader and more long-lasting than that. There may be constant changes in how it is implemented, but the general principles that a strategy lays out should be pretty constant and only changed with great care. Of course even if it was true, such a document no longer needs to be 'printed' but could be changed easily online and published with great speed and with whatever extras were needed or linking to other documents. But it's now clear that to IOMG 'strategy' means nothing except 'random bullshit'. This government seems to have 'visions', 'plans', 'strategies', 'policies' and 'frameworks'. Put those into your scrum. Edited April 6 by Moghrey Mie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: This government seems to have 'visions', 'plans', 'strategies', 'policies' and 'frameworks'. With little or nothing ever mandated as having to be produced as a result. KPIs. Still, it justifies endless jobs and salaries within Government and is symptomatic of why we are where we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeachTea Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I have not read this thread so apologies if this has been addressed already but why have we partnered with a Singapore AI team? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxez9z4xd25o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeachTea Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 never mind. I can see its been discussed earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Keep up at the back, Air miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM Amazing use of AI to do translation into hundreds of different languages. This is amazing. https://www.interprefy.com/download-interprefy-app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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