Kopek Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 As has been said, you cannot reward someone for a bad job, not even to remove him from that job. Shades of Richard Corkhill, if they were footballers they would be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. Adding.... What do we need a President for anyway? The Speaker could perform the role in Tynwald and Legco should not be forming legislation, so to review the Keys proposals they would not need a speaker/president/chairman. Eddie Lowey would pull them up on any 'point of order'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 [Chorus:] Castletown Uber Alles Castletown Uber Alles Uber Alles Castletown Uber Alles Castletown So, Castletown are going to take over Port St Mary? Tony for Mayor of the autonomous region of the South East? You heard it here first, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodolite Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Pros 1. He'd stop being CM Ah, but then we need to find a CM too. What do we need a President for anyway? The only reason we have a President, or rather a President of Tynwald, is because we needed someone to takeover from the Governor when he got booted out of Tynwald (as was the 1st Deemster before him and the 2nd Deemster before that etc.) Eddie Lowey would pull them up on any 'point of order'. He certainly could. He would go all dewy eyed and maudlin and bang on about how it was in his granny's day or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosferatu Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Castletown uber alles ....etc Quality reworking of the song there Declan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 I don't think it matters who is Chief Minster of President. It's much more important who the Chief Secretary is. It's the civil servants who decide what policies get dished up. Anyone know when Mrs Williams retires and who is interested in being the next Chief Secretary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Eddie Teare is apparently being groomed for next CM, or so I am reliably told, that is by those members who subscribe to the "anyone to ensure Alan Bell doesn't get the post" school of political philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Paul - Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Eddie Teare is apparently being groomed for next CM “Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Ayres Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Eddie Teare is apparently being groomed for next CM, or so I am reliably told, that is by those members who subscribe to the "anyone to ensure Alan Bell doesn't get the post" school of political philosophy Not according to what he told me on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 If true, then we really are stuffed. Teare seems to lack any real ideas or deeper appreciation of issues other than how it looks on a balance sheet, and is addicted to micromanagement. On the other hand, Bell is, in my view, a superficial opportunist with little to offer but a lot of talk in a bag, an overwhealming sense of his own importance, and whose many shortcomings as a Minister have been overlooked thanks to a. being shuffled around when the heat's on, b. having half way competant civil servants to do the work in his departments, c. a habit of keeping his head so low in Tynwald that he might as well be sitting under the table most of the time,. I wouldn't be surprised to find him incapable of conducting even small talk without his civil servants providing him with a comprehensive set of notes and flash cards beforehand. As vocal as my antipathy towards Teare has been, I'd prefer him in the job if only because I have a niggling suspicion that Bell's qualities mean he could be even worse than Brown. However, I'd prefer someone from outside the existing CoMin lot to either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Eddie Teare is apparently being groomed for next CM. I suppose that its not as bad as him being groomed by the next CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbashbosh Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 I think people are over estimating the 'prestige' of being President of Tynwald. It's nothing but a glorified Chairman role for three days of the month (and not even every month at that) plus a little LegCo work. I'd imagine there's a serious pay cut from being the CM as well and no position in Government. Admittedly, a cushy number for someone to retire into, but you can't compare it to CoMin/Chief Min... it's a parliamentary role, not a Government/Executive one. As Kopek said - why have a President... but that opens that good old LegCo can of worms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Anyone know when Mrs Williams retires and who is interested in being the next Chief Secretary? The word is that she will go late 2011, so that the change of CS and likely (please God!!) change to CM happen more or less simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 having dealt with mary the only word i can describe her is a cretin, god help us if thats the best civil servant the isle of man has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Anyone know when Mrs Williams retires and who is interested in being the next Chief Secretary? The word is that she will go late 2011, so that the change of CS and likely (please God!!) change to CM happen more or less simultaneously. And what choice will we have in these important changes? None! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 If true, then we really are stuffed. Teare seems to lack any real ideas or deeper appreciation of issues other than how it looks on a balance sheet, and is addicted to micromanagement. On the other hand, Bell is, in my view, a superficial opportunist with little to offer but a lot of talk in a bag, an overwhealming sense of his own importance, and whose many shortcomings as a Minister have been overlooked thanks to a. being shuffled around when the heat's on, b. having half way competant civil servants to do the work in his departments, c. a habit of keeping his head so low in Tynwald that he might as well be sitting under the table most of the time,. I wouldn't be surprised to find him incapable of conducting even small talk without his civil servants providing him with a comprehensive set of notes and flash cards beforehand. As vocal as my antipathy towards Teare has been, I'd prefer him in the job if only because I have a niggling suspicion that Bell's qualities mean he could be even worse than Brown. However, I'd prefer someone from outside the existing CoMin lot to either of them. It's been pretty clear that a weakness of the Arkwright regime has been the over-arching lack of a cohesive political philosophy across CoMin. The CM is a dyed in the wool 1970's style Socialist, Eddie Teare is pretty right wing, Craine is more of a champagne socialist and most of the others have barely shown their colours at all. What will be needed post 2011 election is a much more focused approach, with a range of real policies and strategies to bring down the size and cost of government and resolve the pensions time bomb, on one hand, while generating income and new business and economic growth on the other, and the real LEADERSHIP to actually implement them, even though they may be unpopular, in some quarters. The CM post in 2011 is probably for a one term leader, who can bring an end to the unsustainable 'big government' Arkwright has has created, engage effectively with the unions, and leave a much leaner and fitter regime for his successor - a bit like a turn around manager in a failing company. Of the current crop inside or outside CoMin, Eddie Teare is the man closest to fitting the bill, but he'd need to be a genuine leader (not a manager) and to generate genuine philosophical and practical support from a much more cohesive CoMin team than we have now. A new Chief Secretary, from outside the current CS crop might also help....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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