commish Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://newsthump.com/2014/10/30/dont-look-at-the-wheelchairs-look-at-the-scroungers-sat-in-them-explain-ministers/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 You put on a very good act through your various liberal socialist guises TJ - but when it just boils down to it - you're just not a very nice person no matter how high minded and above everyone else you met feel you are. This is about people gaining and maintaining independent lives and mobility who have limited mobility it has nothing to do with anything else. Do you not think a millionaire with a Range Rover would trade the miserable £2 of free parking you begrudge him from having to be able bodied? What a narrow minded, insular, miserable, TWAT you are. Oh, for goodness sake!!! Predictable appeal to emotionalism that totally misses the point (on purpose) duly noted. However, free parking only contributes to maintaining "mobility" and "independent lives" IF the disabled person is POOR and otherwise can't afford to pay for parking. If they're financially well off, giving them free parking does not in ANY way, shape or form aid in their mobility and independence. Free parking should be for those disabled people who can't afford parking. I 100% support free parking for disabled people who have been means tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmadmanx Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Do we know how much revenue Douglas Corporation are losing per annum for allowing disabled drivers to park for free? Do we know how much Douglas Corporation has spent on the luxurious Control Room in Shaw's Brow Car Park for monitoring CCTV in Douglas and is that their responsibility or a Police responsibility? (seems that the monies spent there would be best placed in supporting our Disabled residents). Do we know how much the Horse Trams cost the Ratepayers of Douglas? The Crematorium is also an all island facility, but the suckers in Douglas are paying for it on their rates. Do we know how much the I/T department of Douglas Corporation is costing the ratepayer and with lots of staff and councillors being given a nice new shiny iPads and shiny smart phones! What a joke these Corporation Councillors are, they are obviously clutching at short straws and preying on the vulnerable members of our society, these are the vulnerable people that our Isle of Man Government are always saying that we should be protecting, but the Government Minister overseeing Local Authorities appears to be burying his head in the sand over Douglas Corporation's draconian ways of thinking. Bring on Local Authority reform and bring these little hitlers into line with all antiquated parish pump wannabe politicians oops I mean so called Councillors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I agree with Mrmadmanx, though, that they should sort out the Corporation's own internal expenses before resorting to going after ratepayers and island residents. They have legions of overpaid jobsworths and it's a gross violation of common decency for them to look to reduce services as a first resort before sorting out their own number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I won't give you a break at all. What you said just typifies your pathetic, bleating, attitude to anyone who appears to have 5p more than you. This is not a monetary issue. It's an issue about disabled people getting disabled permits. Which if that means they are 10p wealthier than you, you clearly object to it. As I said - not nice values to have, and not a nice person one bit. Try as you like to you its all about money. And more to the point the people you resent for having any more of it than you - whether they are coping with huge disabilities or not. Yes, it is a monetary issue. It's a monetary entitlement. You're saying someone pays nothing instead of, let's say, £2 to park somewhere. There needs to be a monetary reason for that. You can't just say, hey, anyone who's disabled can automatically have this free of charge, even if they're a millionaire or billionaire. That's just not logical. It should be for those disabled people who have low incomes - and I suspect they might be the majority anyway, so why you're putting up such a stink is beyond me, other than it just being a sad excuse for you to get on your moral high horse and troll me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 And I'm financially well off, actually, so your idiotic psychoanalysis is duly noted and given all the consideration - i.e. none - it is due. Also, I'm fairly sure I would be classed as disabled myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Disabled people don't rationally need financial assistance in this instance. They are just as capable as anyone else of affording the service. You can appeal to emotional arguments all you like but there's no reason they can't pay. All this "we should treat our vulnerable better" "show some compassion" is just patronising and embarassing. These are normal people who can afford cars. They just happen to have a mobility issue. They use the service. Let them pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Well people who are in genuine need of financial assistance due to their disability should receive it. For those who do not require this financial assistance they can just get on with it like you and me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 David Christian and the rest of the council have their heads so far up their backsides they are incapable of hearing anything anybody has to say. I know money has to be saved but this is so low, I bet if you got an outside agency to go through the Town Hall and all the other council departments they would find a few managers that are not value for money....start with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill5 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 David Christian and the rest of the council have their heads so far up their backsides they are incapable of hearing anything anybody has to say. I know money has to be saved but this is so low, I bet if you got an outside agency to go through the Town Hall and all the other council departments they would find a few managers that are not value for money....start with them. l would really like to know how much in internal savings the corporation have made over the last several years as most people/organizations have. Not a lot of visual evidence noticeable.Seems ratepayers are just a cashcow to be milked to maintain their bloated regime. Does anyone else think we should be provided with details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 And I'm financially well off, actually, so your idiotic psychoanalysis is duly noted and given all the consideration - i.e. none - it is due. Also, I'm fairly sure I would be classed as disabled myself. Anyone who uses the word "pleb" in an Andrew Mitchell style intellectually insulting way to anyone else doesn't really need the psychoanalysis aspects pointing out to them. As I said clearly money appears to be everything to you, and you don't appear to be able to stand anyone who may have any more of it than you do - even if they are disabled. Furthermore you seem to regard the meagre subsidy they might be getting from you as theft as your SO hard done by and they're not (other than being irreversibly long term disabled and relying on their car as a social lifeline of course). Yeh.......or........you really are a pleb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 My own view is that they should not charge blue badge holders for parking. However the system of issuing those badges should be more rigorous and enforcement against abuse of them should be properly taken. I don't know the Manx legislation on them but I know when my Grandad was issued with one (he was for all intents and purposes blind by then, pretty much deaf and couldn't walk very far) it was only valid when he was present with whoever was driving the car he was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 There is already too much persecution of people with decent jobs/income on the island as it is. Could you define your meaning of persecution in this context? It's the same in every context. The people earning better money and with better jobs are being hammered from all sides. The standard answer seems to be that we need to means test everything. Which I don't agree with. Certainly not whilst we have CS/Government bloat with ridiculous packages, pensions (which are bankrupting this island) etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannin1 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 notwell, on 10 Jun 2015 - 1:54 PM, said: There is already too much persecution of people without decent jobs/income on the island as it is. sorted!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Look, we are talking about a handful of parking spaces to make life easier for those who are unable to walk or walk very far. What is wrong with some of you people? It's not about means testing, affordability or any other financial issue. It's about trying to make life for those disadvantaged by poor mobility a little easier and basic humanity. Something which is sadly lacking in some posters to this thread! Maybe some of you should try and imagine what it is like for disabled people for a week? Try thinking about the pain that some of them are in and the difficulty in getting about in town. The trouble is that nobody ever realises until it is themselves that are affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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