WTF Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I suppose if you see drugs the same as others see alcohol ( ignoring the legal side it could be a bit of a spot the difference ) it's hard to see a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sick Moon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 There's an awful lot of hysteria about heroin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Oh god, it's this pleb again. It's the same person who got sent to prison for heroin back in 2008 http://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/heroin-smuggler-jailed/ Didn't learn his lesson, won't learn his lesson was he a copper??? not the image you expect with the headline. ( I know he wasn't ) it did work quite well as a diet for him last time, came out half the size as he went in, a sort of jurby 'fat camp' , I almost didn't recognise him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Oh god, it's this pleb again. It's the same person who got sent to prison for heroin back in 2008 http://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/heroin-smuggler-jailed/ Didn't learn his lesson, won't learn his lesson Too slow typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I did a few pre posting edits too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karellen Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 How to start an argument on the internet: 1. Post a point of view 2. Sit back...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 How to start an argument on the internet: 1. Post a point of view 2. Sit back...... I think Paulos didn't expect such a response to his two posts first post said 'Ridiculous' second post said 'How about a proportionate sentence is my point' If the appeal has been done? the proportionate sentence now appears to be using him as a gauge to be used for others who try the same type of thing. He has previous and obviously played a big factor in his sentencing as also supplying prisoners with drugs. There were a couple of other cases of people attempting to smuggle 'something' into the prison but haven't checked as to what happened to them. That might be what Paulos was referring to? Still wrong whichever way you look at it. Prisoners families apart, why do they allow ex prisoners into the prison in the first place? Surely a recipe for disaster when you consider there might be bullying or debts involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lao Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The fact that it was drugs seems to make it hard for people to understand the sentencing. Forget what was brought in, regardless of what it was, contraband was brought into a prison. contraband can reduce the effectiveness of a prison as a punishment by making a prisoners time there easier, which in turn increases recidivism. Now regardless of what your opinions are on the prison system, rehabilitation vs punishment, and drugs, it's fairly simple to understand why a person who attempts to smuggle ANY contraband into a prison would be punished accordingly. Even if drugs were completely legal, smuggling them into prison where prisoners are not allowed them will net you a prison sentence in the same way that smuggling mobile phones or pornography would. It's not the drugs, it's the smuggling+prison that = hard time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The fact that it was drugs seems to make it hard for people to understand the sentencing. Forget what was brought in, regardless of what it was, contraband was brought into a prison. contraband can reduce the effectiveness of a prison as a punishment by making a prisoners time there easier, which in turn increases recidivism. Now regardless of what your opinions are on the prison system, rehabilitation vs punishment, and drugs, it's fairly simple to understand why a person who attempts to smuggle ANY contraband into a prison would be punished accordingly. Even if drugs were completely legal, smuggling them into prison where prisoners are not allowed them will net you a prison sentence in the same way that smuggling mobile phones or pornography would. It's not the drugs, it's the smuggling+prison that = hard time As AL-T said on the previous page; he might as well have walked round outside a Police Station in a big sandwich board with 'Get your drugs here' written on it. An ex convicted drug dealer visiting someone in prison specifically to give him drugs! What bloody planet was he on! Of course the sentence isn't unreasonable as a deterrent to anyone stupid enough to attempt to do it again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurricanII Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 This chap has some interesting insights to share on addiction: http://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong Govt help for addicts who want change may well benefit from a radical rethink, but we don't know that addiction is the root cause in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 At least it's one more long term inmate to justify the big shiny prison and over-staffed workforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 No, my stance is the sentence is harsh because drugs should be regulated not prohibited because the demand will always exist. Ive simply said that using this guy as deterrent wont work because smuggling will always happen. A fact you seem to be struggling to grasp. The whole thing is a wider issue of drug legalization. If you think locking up one guy who tried to smuggle some drugs into prison is a success then yes, you're all as naive as I said earlier. Demand for something doesn't mean it's harsh to sentence people for doing it does it? If there was a demand for killing people does that make it okay? If you disagree with drug laws, great, go campaign against it. Don't whinge when people who do choose to break the law get caught and punished for doing so. I wouldn't campaign against speed limits by doing 100mph in a 30 and then whinge when I get banged up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 @P.K. Are you blind because your powers of reading something I've already said seems to be on the weak side shall we say...? I've already stated that drug addiction is a health issue, not a criminal one. Clearly you think its a criminal one as you believe "the very best result of their incarceration would be to come out clean of a major factor, if not THE major factor". I believe anyone with an addiction issue should have help, not sent to a fucking prison. Herein lies our differences apparently and why this conversation is pointless Drug addiction is a health issue. Drug supply is a criminal issue. I'm not sure why you're suggesting that this is an addict being sent to prison, other than your desire to spin the topic, as seen very clearly in your first post where you deliberately don't mention heroin but try to claim that it was 4 years for £12 of cannabis. It's a drug dealer being sent to prison. Not someone with a health issue, someone with a criminal issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausage Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 People who sell heroin are shitbags. They are the lowest of the low. I'm not a bigot - they are total pond life. They make money off peoples addictions. Read William S Burroughs "Junkie" for any sense of perspective in relation to addiction. People who sell heroin are scum. Yeah, low scummy pond life making money off peoples addictions! Although they are quite handy if you're after a bit of scag. See this is where I disagree with OMF......I dont think they are the lowest of the low. On exactly the same page of the newspaper, right next to this article....there is the news of a serial paedophile and child abuser, who has been convicted twice before and served a jail sentence but this has left him undeterred and he has committed further crimes against a child. One of his innocent victims said her life had been ruined forever......this guy got a few months more than the addict who tried to help a fellow addict out with a few grams of weed and and small amount of heroin...or diamorphine if you want to get it from the NHS...... I think this guy is on the lower than lowest of the low scale......and it again brings into the question of sentencing....a recent TV documentary highlighted a school teacher and a paedatrician...both caught with child porn on their computers....one had over 140000 images.....neither of them received a jail sentence...suspended sentences for both.....both in very important positions of trust when it comes to children......Yet people (especially in the IOM) who choose to use substances alternative to the legalised drugs, (which make the top 5 in any of the most dangerous drug lists compiled).....run the risk of years in prison which does nothing to address their underlying issues...and arguably makes it worse...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 @ sausage: But what if they are both ill? Where do you stop? Maybe that very child abuser is as sick or sicker than the drugs dealer. All depends on your perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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