notwell Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Dunlop and Hutchinson could easily have transitioned straight into the TT. Just like Josh Brookes etc. And it is clear that the resources are being ploughed into the Classic Festival with the Manx Grand Prix hanging on its coat tails. Personally I'd like to see 250's back on the agenda with some real convication. I see Dan Sayle has a moto 3 250 this year. These sort of bikes would be a much better machine (and super twins ) to ride in the earlier years of a rider on the TT course. The 1000cc (especially ) and 600cc are an accident waiting to happen for quite a few IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Just make sure people keep calling it the Manx Grand Prix. It really pisses DED and Paul Phillips off....from an acquaintance in the know... :-) Or amongst friends, just 'the Manx'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubbiali Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Well the Manx is on borrowed time. Plus there is an issue over the standard of riders at the manx too. What issue?It isn't up to sufficient standard to cope with the top machinery Perhaps you might like to discuss this opinion with the likes of Michael Dunlop and Ian Hutchinson, both of whom were once Manx Grand Prix riders. Besides them there are many others who did the MGP who became leading road racers. I think it's fair to say that they were of 'sufficient standard'. Dunlop and Hutchinson didn't need the MGP. I know factually they have refused a load of entries this year due to standArd of rider. You could equally argue the TT outside of the top 20 or so are struggling to get 1000cc machines round. Oh dear. The number of entries are determined by the ACU course licence which is the same as the TT, 80 riders. The MGP is always oversubscribed and because of the course limit the MMCC has had to be more discerning about who is eligible to ride this year, nothing more sinister than that. There have been outside influences trying to limit the number of newcomers accepted, more to reduce the amount of riders on the course during practice than anything. I think you are barking up the wrong tree Notwell, what makes you think that the MGP is finished when the entries are oversubscribed, the racing is close and exciting with up and coming riders filling the grids. To say that Dunlop and Hutchinson didn't need the MGP to establish themselves shows a lack of understanding, why did they bother doing the event in the first place then? Well said JCM Notwell, please read and digest. I am accustomed your periodic colouful assertions on a variety of matters, possibly with intention of stimulating debate, but "the Manx is on borrowed time" is a bit extreme and demonstrably untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Dunlop and Hutchinson could easily have transitioned straight into the TT. Just like Josh Brookes etc. And it is clear that the resources are being ploughed into the Classic Festival with the Manx Grand Prix hanging on its coat tails. Personally I'd like to see 250's back on the agenda with some real convication. I see Dan Sayle has a moto 3 250 this year. These sort of bikes would be a much better machine (and super twins ) to ride in the earlier years of a rider on the TT course. The 1000cc (especially ) and 600cc are an accident waiting to happen for quite a few IMHO. You may be right but they obviously didn't think they were ready for the TT at the time. Josh Brookes actually wanted to race at the MGP first but was talked out of it. He, unlike the other two was a fully professional international racer before he did the TT. Government are pouring resources into the CTT yes, the MGP when it last held the classic races in 2012, attracted 12500 visitors. The FOM last year attracted 15,000 visitors after three years of promotion. It's a shame that the DED couldn't have worked together with the MMCC to create a really unified event from the outset? Part of the problem was that DED members shut out the MMCC and were trying to destroy them and the MGP. It took political involvement to save the situation. The CTT has 250's this year, the only problem here is that the 250 two stroke class was killed off internationally in 2009. No manufacturers support it and spares are getting hard to get hold of and expensive. This is evident by the dwindling numbers being raced even where organisers run classes for them. The MGP has always catered for them but even the most fervent 250 riders and sponsors were struggling to run them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'm a supporter of the MGP btw. What's the story with the 250 4 strokes? Is there any potential there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Max Power, how is your 12500 figure of 2012 evidenced or have you just made that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Max Power, how is your 12500 figure of 2012 evidenced or have you just made that up? Official government statistics at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'm a supporter of the MGP btw. What's the story with the 250 4 strokes? Is there any potential there? I think there is yes, they took over at World Championship level from the 125cc class, now called Moto3. There are more and more of them coming onto the market as used racers and the price is (supposedly) capped at around £20k new. It may take a bit of time to build up numbers, unlike the 70's, 80's and 90's when manufacturers used to build large numbers of specially produced racing machines. There's a big shift looming too as manufacturers are beginning to phase out 600cc Supersport bikes, the mainstay of club, national and even international racing. Maybe there will be a return to special race and track machines loosely based on road engines and chassis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Could a motorcycle ever be manufactured on the Isle of Man? If not, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Could a motorcycle ever be manufactured on the Isle of Man?If not, why not. Without looking it up probably have been, now transport too expensive electricity too expensive ditto ditto ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperate Dan Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I was under the impression that the festival of motorcycling was just a top cover for all the events under it. MGP name should never be dropped unless it become Isle of Man GP. I could live with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Could a motorcycle ever be manufactured on the Isle of Man?If not, why not.Without looking it up probably have been, now transport too expensive electricity too expensive ditto ditto ditto. We had Manx Nortons in the sixties. We also could have got involved in the revival of the Peel P50, and how many Scoobies have now been built to do the TT Course in record time? And that's on top of all the other specialist machinery that been built to deliver over here over the years. I think we are looking in the wrong areas when it comes to franchising Manx Motorsport. Even if we made no money would not a Scooby WRX Manx Edition not push the TT brand of the IOM world wide? For nothing but a signature on a piece of paper? But we'd never do that. It's too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 The Isle of Man is in a unique position regarding motorcycles (and by extension motorsports) and it is time to maximum our position. All I see the Government doing is the likes of charging people more for stuff like stands at the back of the grandstand, and also charging for use of the TT Logo. Wow, I suppose someone is proud of the few thousand that might bring in? For example, the Isle of Man should have - and still could possibly - take up the reins for the production of electric motorbikes but I suppose that boat has been missed now. When all the extra VAT money was sloshing about some sort of forward thinking and investment should have been done then. I suppose the Isle of Man Government was too busy pissing it up against a wall when we had the money. (Don't mention driverless Google cars, that caused a right forum stink, and that situation is toe-curlingly cringeworthy anyway) Simply bringing more people over for two (ok 3 or maybe 4 max ) weeks of the year isn't enough and is too narrow thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 The Isle of Man is in a unique position regarding motorcycles (and by extension motorsports) and it is time to maximum our positin. All I see the Government doing is the likes of charging people more for stuff like stands at the back of the grandstand, and also charging for use of the TT Logo. Wow, I suppose someone is proud of the few thousand that might bring in? For example, the Isle of Man should have - and still could possibly - take up the reins for the production of electric motorbikes but I suppose that boat has been missed now. When all the extra VAT money was sloshing about some sort of forward thinking and investmnet should have been done then. I suppose the Isle of Man Government was too busy pissing it up against a wall when we had the money. Simply bringing more people over for two (ok 3 or 4) weeks of the year isn't enough amd is too narrow thinking. Agree we could have had the franchise and recognition for all the electric bikes, and pushed out to the likes of Tesla for other endurance automotive titles etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 The Isle of Man is in a unique position regarding motorcycles (and by extension motorsports) and it is time to maximum our positin. All I see the Government doing is the likes of charging people more for stuff like stands at the back of the grandstand, and also charging for use of the TT Logo. Wow, I suppose someone is proud of the few thousand that might bring in? For example, the Isle of Man should have - and still could possibly - take up the reins for the production of electric motorbikes but I suppose that boat has been missed now. When all the extra VAT money was sloshing about some sort of forward thinking and investmnet should have been done then. I suppose the Isle of Man Government was too busy pissing it up against a wall when we had the money. Simply bringing more people over for two (ok 3 or 4) weeks of the year isn't enough amd is too narrow thinking. Agree we could have had the franchise and recognition for all the electric bikes, and pushed out to the likes of Tesla for other endurance automotive titles etc. I'm afraid the owner of Tesla cars won't waste his time here. Can you imagine dealing with DED muppets and that's not even starting with the Tynpotwald sticky beaks. Lovely idea and imaginative thinking OMF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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