Roger Mexico Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Isle of Man Newspapers have now put the full article on their website. It's really two different stories related by the Living Hope lot, one about the teaching of creationism in schools and the second about further financial dealing around the housing of Mr Stanfield - I'ii look at the first here. The article says: Quote [...] the Department of Education and Children confirmed that creationism - the belief in divine creation rather than evolution - is being taught or discussed in 21 schools, 11 of them by people other than teachers. Responding to a FoI request, the DEC confirmed that creationism is discussed mainly in school assemblies or RE lessons as a biblical account of the creation of the world in balance with other ideas such as the Big Bang theory and the theory of creation. And it is made clear this is one of a number of religious beliefs and in no way taught as a statement of fact. The DEC revealed Living Hope representatives have visited four primary schools and two high schools to discuss subjects, formally or informally, with pupils. They have visited Bunscoill Rhumsaa and Jurby schools about four or five times a year, once or twice a year at Cronk y Berry, four times this academic year at both Phurt le Moirrey and Castle Rushen High School and twice at Queen Elizabeth II High School. The department pointed out it may be the case that members of Living Hope attend in capacities other than their church affiliation, sometimes as part of a wider group delivering an assembly. Content of assemblies are not of an overtly religious nature, it said. Members of Living Hope may also attend clubs and activities such as ’open the book’ sessions or Scripture Union. The DEC told iomtoday: ’The DEC and its 37 schools are open to approaches from members of a range of religious organisations in the community. ’The ultimate responsibility for who delivers acts of worship and who is involved in religious education in schools lies with the headteacher. The Education Act is clear in its prevention of any proselytizing activity on the part of religious organisations in schools.’ The Freedom of Information request this is based on[1] is a bit ambiguous in how it defines Creationism, which allows the DEC to elide exactly what is being taught (is a vague "God made heaven and earth" or full-blown Young Earth Creationism with everything starting at 4004 BC and no Evolution?). And more significantly what "Non-department visiting speakers/people"[2] are doing teaching it anyway. It's also a mystery if "Content of assemblies are[3] not of an overtly religious nature" why overtly or otherwise religious groups are invited in to help. [1] Once again we have the rather odd situation (as with some Tynwald answers) where documents are presented as images rather than text, making it difficult to quote from easily. [2] This is the wording of the question, the answer alters this to "non-departmental staff" [3] Obviously the DEC doesn't think basic grammar is as important as Creationism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 So heffalump. You start a thread slagging off a church then end up pretty much siding with that church when challenged. A strange way to spend the time if you ask me. Are they trying to create internet hatred in an attempt to garner wider sympathy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Is it compulsory for children to attend these lessons led by these "religious leaders"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 This cult is getting more and more dangerous by the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said: So heffalump. You start a thread slagging off a church then end up pretty much siding with that church when challenged. A strange way to spend the time if you ask me. Are they trying to create internet hatred in an attempt to garner wider sympathy? My guess is that he is part of the cult...just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, Neil Down said: My guess is that he is part of the cult...just saying He was practically begging for me to jump into his obvious trap of suggesting illegality. Probably looking to trick someone into being a sacrificial lamb in a libel dispute to scare anyone else from openly criticising this cult. #EpicFail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellefield Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 the LHC is a worldwide con run for the benefit of their directors. The fact that the directors salaries went up, despite losing one of their directors (because he had been barred from directorship for financial impropriety) shows how much they like to benefit from the tithes they receive. oh, and the tithes the directors pay fell by more than half, maybe because that disbarred chap gave more than he needed too - well you know what they say about a fool and his money... and other people money come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sadly, it is not just fools who are easily parted from their money, but also many vulnerable people whom we as a society are failing - particularly our government with its inverted and immoral austerity programme - which leaves them easy prey to snake oil salesmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Education ought to be secular and delivered by qualified teachers. End of story. If parents choose to take their children to a church that's entirely up to them. Letting evangelical churches like the Living Hope Church or organisations like the Scripture Union into schools is extraordinary and completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, guzzi said: Education ought to be secular and delivered by qualified teachers. End of story. If parents choose to take their children to a church that's entirely up to them. Letting evangelical churches like the Living Hope Church or organisations like the Scripture Union into schools is extraordinary and completely wrong. Might as well teach Tolkienism as well as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc... It is all fiction to sell books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Responding to a FoI request, the DEC confirmed that creationism is discussed mainly in school assemblies or RE lessons as a biblical account of the creation of the world in balance with other ideas such as the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution. In balance with? One is somebody's imagination, the other two are science - they are not just "other ideas". How do they balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. Sausages said: In balance with? One is somebody's imagination, the other two are science - they are not just "other ideas". How do they balance? Are they going to teach about how the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe in its noodley image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 That's the Dept of Education calling them "other ideas". Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said: In balance with? One is somebody's imagination, the other two are science - they are not just "other ideas". How do they balance? The only balance these cults are interested in are their bank balances. Just like our MHKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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