Living hope church again - teaching the kids

[Parrot]

2 minutes ago, finlo said:

As a Parrot.

But looking back, he just was not funny really, was he?. Just a clown, I suppose.

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

Let's be honest it's a deluded religious franchise led by a deluded snake oil salesman - that strangely seems to suck in seemingly intelligent people. the Itex lady (double barrelled name former Telecom big cheese) she's in on it, very very very very very fat man not compliant with the gluttony part of his commandments Director of Barclays ( surname rhymes with Belsen.... ) who strangely lent his Louis group prayer pals a loadof cash - he's involved there are stooges all over the business community.

If you happen upon one of the deluded flock they rarely ever wish to admit they are actually associated with the organisation and don't readily admit they are a part of the cult, which indicates they know it's a ruse but are too far gone or embarrassed to admit their associations.

[Parrot]

3 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

Let's be honest it's a deluded religious franchise led by a deluded snake oil salesman - that strangely seems to suck in seemingly intelligent people. the Itex lady (double barrelled name former Telecom big cheese) she's in on it, very very very very very fat man not compliant with the gluttony part of his commandments Director of Barclays ( surname rhymes with Belsen.... ) who strangely lent his Louis group prayer pals a loadof cash - he's involved there are stooges all over the business community.

If you happen upon one of the deluded flock they rarely ever wish to admit they are actually associated with the organisation and don't readily admit they are a part of the cult, which indicates they know it's a ruse but are too far gone or embarrassed to admit their associations.

Very sad if true.

[WTF]

very sad then........................?

[Chinahand]

So, how can the influence of this organisation be reduced?

[newsnight]

5 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

So, how can the influence of this organisation be reduced?

By first establishing evidentially what and with whom the organisation has influence in Tynwald and the Government?

I would be interested to know who authored the reply to the freedom of information request, I would also like to know what the Education Minister has to say about it? Maybe Richard Butt might ask him?

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

6 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

So, how can the influence of this organisation be reduced?

Stop allowing these people into schools to brainwash the young, tax them on income and make an assessment on the true position and source off wealth every year - grow up and realise it's a massive lie, 

[theambo]

Are the LHC involved in the Beach Mission that Port St Mary Commissioners seem to be fawning over ? Always struck me as rather dubious religious childminding service.

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

No they are the Baptist lot - a watered down LHC essentially for the retired (harder to tithe a pension)

[quilp]

1 hour ago, Chinahand said:

So, how can the influence of this organisation be reduced?

It would be hard to gauge just how much of an influence this group might be having. Is their presence in schools and youth clubs any more sinister than catholics and their after school meetings, or protestants and Sunday school, muslims and their madrasses? It is generally accepted that adherents to religion are on the wane, except perhaps islam. Society is becoming more secular, the influence of our established churches is (thankfully) a shadow of its former insidious glory.

Amongst the increasing numbers of those who are of 'no religion' there must be a fair number of parents who have the integrity to instill an healthy sense of skepticism and the need to question, in their offspring.

There does seem to be a lot of focus on LHC in our schools but how does its involvement compare with the accepted indoctrination of the already established and openly divisive faith schools? They encourage sectarianism by title.

The comments section on iomtoday.co.im indicates a considerable majority opposition to LHC and its activities, as if something sinister awaits. A general paranoia that it's presence will subliminally infect the minds of our young and easily-influenced. All seems a bit over-stated, IMO.

There is much scrutiny of financial endorsements made to the elders of LHC but surely that is up to the brethren in very much the same way as the collection-plates of the established cults generating untaxed income? The tithe obligations compare to those conditions imposed on mormons or Jehovah's witnesses. Nothing new here. How it is spent is probably none of anyone's business. 

Young minds these days are less vulnerable to religion. The advance of science and reason, and explainable evolution theory have blunted the penetrative power of scripture and devotion to the unprovable. The rise of secularism and Atheism, coupled with better education has coincided with the decline in worship, with few exceptions. The modern 'cult of personality' provides a useful, if entirely shallow, distraction.

Many of the disciples of LHC, as with most modern-day cults that spring up, will have joined up sensing an opportunity to network, to establish themselves within the hierarchal pecking-order and elevation through the ranks, purchasing indulgences (still popular with Rome) on the stairway to heaven (sic) or head Thetan or whatever scientology offers those who willingly pay. It's a commonality of them all.

LHC's devotees obviously consider the elders and their financial arrangements morally acceptable. And this is their choice, made seemingly without duress.

Religious education and the tenets of any cult/ideology should be kept out of schools. The states support, and its assistance in the creation of faith schools needs to be reconsidered*. Rescind the charitable status and introduce fair taxation.

 

(*Consideration should also be given to the clinical effectiveness of the £25 million shelled out every year by the NHS, to 'pastoral' care visitors to its various institutions.)

[guzzi]

8 hours ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

Stop allowing these people into schools to brainwash the young, tax them on income and make an assessment on the true position and source off wealth every year - grow up and realise it's a massive lie, 

I agree about the schools, let's end this nonsense and have a secular education delivered by qualified teachers.

The problem with taxing the income of the LHC is that it is largely made up of tithes from Church members.  So, our Government would be taxing that money twice, assuming that the Church members had paid income tax in the first place. Please tell me that income tithed to the LHC isn't tax deductible, someone!

[Shake me up Judy]

Agree with that entirely Quilp but a lot of these religions are praying on the vacuum left behind by the slow retreat of established religions. It was a problem recognised a long time ago and we still haven't found anything to replace faith or to fill the gap. For the few it is education; but for the many it is a limbo land of relativism and moral chaos and confusion; without benefit of the past, experience, knowledge, wisdom, meaning, community or society. The 'children of limbo' are prey to consumerism, materialism and fetish capitalism, cheap gimmickry, technology, celebrity worship, cynicism, conspiracy theory, dumbing-down, ideology etc; I could go on but you know the list and it's a long one. I think this is why these fringe religions still thrive, filling the vacuum in people's heads and imagination. Education should have stepped into the breach, and could have done, but it has largely failed to do so in my view.       

[WTF]

8 hours ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

Stop allowing these people into schools to brainwash the young, tax them on income and make an assessment on the true position and source off wealth every year - grow up and realise it's a massive lie, 

as they are disguised as a church it wont be easy to fuck them off.  a line would have to be drawn somewhere that protected the old established churches we are happy to put up with.   as soon as you start to disassemble phoney religion 'A'   the rest of get involved cos they know what they really are and might be next.  where would you stop?

[Neil Down]

8 hours ago, newsnight said:

By first establishing evidentially what and with whom the organisation has influence in Tynwald and the Government?

I would be interested to know who authored the reply to the freedom of information request, I would also like to know what the Education Minister has to say about it? Maybe Richard Butt might ask him?

That should be an interesting outcome. I personally don't have a lot of confidence in Mr Butt or any of his so called journalists getting anywhere near the truth on this one. Especially if this particular nest of vipers has any pull in Tynwald or the Government

[llap]

9 hours ago, Chinahand said:

So, how can the influence of this organisation be reduced?

Deport all white South Africans?