hissingsid Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 This really needs sorting. If you are registered as a charitable organisation you are exempt from paying VAT. which is good, unfortunately there are organisations who abuse this by never giving a penny piece to charity. If you are registered as a charity, and there are many organisations that are, loads in fact, it should be mandatory that you give money to a good cause. I know of several societies that give sweet FA but enjoy the status and of course the VAT exemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 You are confusing two things. Charitable status. If you are just collecting funds and not using it for a charitable purpose then shouldn’t qualify for charitable status. That’s the Charity Commission in UK. In the Isle of Man it’s the General Registry and the Attorney General. VAT status of a charity, which is complex, and there isn’t a wholesale exemption, to either registration, charging, or reclaiming. The bigger debate is whether churches and religious charities and educational charities should be considered charitable at all, and what limits should be placed on the amount allowed to be spent on salaries and administration expenses as opposed to money spent on the services and relief delivered by the charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 Not just churches and religious societies there are other societies that have charitable status and enjoy the VAT exemption but do not give a penny to good causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The charity is the good cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 Not always Gladys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Not always Gladys. It’s what they do , not what they want to be seen as that counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Not always Gladys. If they are not fulfilling a charitable objective then they should be de-registered. Some charities collect funds to give to other 'doing' charities, some charities do the good works themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Some do next to nothing but have a good few staff on the payroll too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Maybe the IOM could lead the way in separation of Church and charity and the taxing of these - obviously those that generate an income should contribute to the national purse if they expect the use of public services and should declare to the govt. the figures. Hypothetically if the Onchan Gubay Catholic Church (not many positives in that phrase) was on fire should we let it burn as they pay no tax to fund the fire services..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: Maybe the IOM could lead the way in separation of Church and charity and the taxing of these - obviously those that generate an income should contribute to the national purse if they expect the use of public services and should declare to the govt. the figures. Hypothetically if the Onchan Gubay Catholic Church (not many positives in that phrase) was on fire should we let it burn as they pay no tax to fund the fire services..... Yes because of its founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: Maybe the IOM could lead the way in separation of Church and charity and the taxing of these - obviously those that generate an income should contribute to the national purse if they expect the use of public services and should declare to the govt. the figures. Hypothetically if the Onchan Gubay Catholic Church (not many positives in that phrase) was on fire should we let it burn as they pay no tax to fund the fire services..... all churches should be burned down, greatest con before the BCCI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I am living in hope that some of these dodgy churches/cults lose their charitable status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 15 hours ago, hissingsid said: Not just churches and religious societies there are other societies that have charitable status and enjoy the VAT exemption but do not give a penny to good causes. Sid, I'm a volunteer at a charity and I can 100% assure you that there is no VAT exemption. If there is, can you steer me to the relevant legislation please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, piebaps said: Sid, I'm a volunteer at a charity and I can 100% assure you that there is no VAT exemption. If there is, can you steer me to the relevant legislation please. It depends what you are buying, selling, or what service you are providing. It’s a very complex bit of VAT & charity law. It’s not blanket. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-vat-affects-charities-notice-7011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I know! Sid apparently doesn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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