dilligaf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: "Central Scrutiniser" has clarified above. But the difference between a basic postie and a "skilled" postie (in my take on it, and in other Gov areas) is the qualification of a driving licence. It's seen as a skill/qualification that attracts an enhancement. How much mail would get shifted if none of them could drive? Hardly a qualification being able to drive. I would have thought the guys walking miles every day deserved more than those floating round in vans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, dilligaf said: Hardly a qualification being able to drive. I would have thought the guys walking miles every day deserved more than those floating round in vans. If driving wasn't a qualification we wouldn't need driving tests or examiners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Central Scrutiniser Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Part of the current dispute is the P.O. wish to buy out the remaining allowances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, dilligaf said: 12 years or so. I believe it is about double that now, but that is only what I am told. Pah, 12 year's is not long ago twas only like yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, finlo said: Pah, 12 year's is not long ago twas only like yesterday! It seems that way to me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelwd Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Thanks for the responses. Is anybody able to answer the second part of my question. If they have an at fault accident do they have to pay the excess? I work (and occasionally drive ) for Government and if I have an accident in a Government vehicle I am responsible for the excess. Just wondered if it was the same for posties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, nelwd said: Thanks for the responses. Is anybody able to answer the second part of my question. If they have an at fault accident do they have to pay the excess? I work (and occasionally drive ) for Government and if I have an accident in a Government vehicle I am responsible for the excess. Just wondered if it was the same for posties? Have to say that I do not believe you, unless it is like a company car. If it is a work tool you pay for nothing. Expand on what you drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Central Scrutiniser Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, nelwd said: Thanks for the responses. Is anybody able to answer the second part of my question. If they have an at fault accident do they have to pay the excess? I work (and occasionally drive ) for Government and if I have an accident in a Government vehicle I am responsible for the excess. Just wondered if it was the same for posties? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelwd Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, dilligaf said: Have to say that I do not believe you, unless it is like a company car. If it is a work tool you pay for nothing. Expand on what you drive. I drive a school minibus. If it gets damaged, the school is responsible for the excess. If it is through my own stupidity e.g. i am not looking what I am doing and reverse into a wall etc, It has been explained to me that I will be responsible for the excess. If it is not my fault, the the school will pay. To me and the other teachers at the school this seems perfectly fair. Why should the pupils suffer if I am stupid enough not see a stationary object. I have to say it makes you check the vehicle over for damage before you drive it, take care of it, and ensure that somebody countersigns it back in with you. The current vehicle is about 5 years old and has not had a single scratch put on it. Not sure the same would be true if you knew it was not going to cost you personally. I just wondered if it was the same for Posties, and if not, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, nelwd said: I drive a school minibus. If it gets damaged, the school is responsible for the excess. If it is through my own stupidity e.g. i am not looking what I am doing and reverse into a wall etc, It has been explained to me that I will be responsible for the excess. If it is not my fault, the the school will pay. To me and the other teachers at the school this seems perfectly fair. Why should the pupils suffer if I am stupid enough not see a stationary object. I have to say it makes you check the vehicle over for damage before you drive it, take care of it, and ensure that somebody countersigns it back in with you. The current vehicle is about 5 years old and has not had a single scratch put on it. Not sure the same would be true if you knew it was not going to cost you personally. I just wondered if it was the same for Posties, and if not, why not. If driving a vehicle is part of your job, you are not responsible for the cost of any damage. If they say you are, then don't drive the vehicle. Simple as that. That is what insurance is for and in the case of the Gov. , they self insure. not your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Non-Believer said: I'd imagine (and I don't know) that it is reward for having a driving licence and therefore being able to drive a PO vehicle for the duty they cover. The payscale will start at the bottom for a basic unskilled. Relevant qualifications (such as a driving licence) attract upgrades and progression. That's how the system works elsewhere in Govt. Not in the cops. Standards, intermediate, advanced, bike, car, security escort etc - no uplift. And they are all genuine occupational specialist requirements to do a particular job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 12/14/2018 at 11:16 PM, nelwd said: I drive a school minibus. If it gets damaged, the school is responsible for the excess. If it is through my own stupidity e.g. i am not looking what I am doing and reverse into a wall etc, It has been explained to me that I will be responsible for the excess. If it is not my fault, the the school will pay. To me and the other teachers at the school this seems perfectly fair. Why should the pupils suffer if I am stupid enough not see a stationary object. I have to say it makes you check the vehicle over for damage before you drive it, take care of it, and ensure that somebody countersigns it back in with you. The current vehicle is about 5 years old and has not had a single scratch put on it. Not sure the same would be true if you knew it was not going to cost you personally. I just wondered if it was the same for Posties, and if not, why not. Teachers get 14 weeks paid holiday. Is it the same for posties? And if not why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Central Scrutiniser Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 It's 4 weeks up to 10 years service. 5 after 10 years, then 6 after 15 years. Not to be confused with the additional 1 week in 6 rest week. This because postmen are contracted for a 35 hour week. They actually work 43.5 (I think). so the accumulated excess hours are taken in lieu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Central Scrutiniser said: It's 4 weeks up to 10 years service. 5 after 10 years, then 6 after 15 years. But you get a week off every 5 weeks or so paid - because your little leggies are tired add these in and you must get 14 weeks a year not working ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Central Scrutiniser Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I see you paid attention in maths class. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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