Mr Skelly And The TT...

[thesultanofsheight]

51 minutes ago, Rob Callister said:

The TT generates over £39 million of economic value to Isle of Man, so it is very very important to our island....... there will always be risks associated with high speed events, but the Isle of Man continues to improve safety each year through training, medical cover, better protection barriers etc etc - but it will never be ZERO risk. 

That’s fine to say as a throw away glib statement if we (the IOM Government and the taxpayer) weren’t running the most deadly Motorsport event in the entire world. But sadly we are running the worlds most dangerous Motorsport event where many riders regularly and frequently die. There will never be ZERO risk sure; but there isn’t even NORMAL levels of risk shown with the TT. Competitors and spectators die with alarming regularity. But it’s fine as you clearly seem to accept that 2/3 deaths a year is well worth £39M of economic value (ie, made up DfE money) all day long. 

[quilp]

8 hours ago, Chris C said:

If you are appalled but your tax contributions being used to facilitate death and carnage then there are far more productive places to be appalled than the TT.

But we are talking about the Isle of Man TT here, not other places. 

[dilligaf]

14 minutes ago, Max Power said:

The benefits of the TT and MGP cost little if anything financially, some money goes out and a bigger amount comes in. Many of the costs are wooden dollars as departments charge each other for services rendered. The human cost is well known and has been since 1911, that doesn't stop people entering and trying to enter.

Is it that people suddenly are unwilling to put up with a little disruption, which isn't anything compared to trying to get to work and home from say Manchester every single day of your life! It's been part of the life of the island since 1907, you'd think people would be used to it by now! At least it brings some life to an otherwise dreary backwater. 

and plenty of death too don't forget.  We are getting far too used to that and we don't enhance our island for it. 

[Chris C]

1 minute ago, quilp said:

But we are talking about the Isle of Man TT here, not other places. 

So you don't mind your taxes being used for death and carnage as long as it isn't on the IOM?

[dilligaf]

1 minute ago, Chris C said:

So you don't mind your taxes being used for death and carnage as long as it isn't on the IOM?

Such as where ?

[quilp]

Just now, Chris C said:

So you don't mind your taxes being used for death and carnage as long as it isn't on the IOM?

That's a strange question really. Are my tax contributions used to facilitate death and carnage elsewhere? 

[finlo]

1 hour ago, Rob Callister said:

The TT generates over £39 million of economic value to Isle of Man, so it is very very important to our island....... there will always be risks associated with high speed events, but the Isle of Man continues to improve safety each year through training, medical cover, better protection barriers etc etc - but it will never be ZERO risk. 

Graih, Housing Matters, Benefits and the Foodbank are now high priorities of this administration... Tynwald set up a Select Committee recently to look at poverty on the Isle of Man, and it has already taken evidence and held a workshop with the third sector. 

Care to enlighten us just who gets to benefit from this fantasy land £39,000000 figure?

[Chris C]

Just now, quilp said:

That's a strange question really. Are my tax contributions used to facilitate death and carnage elsewhere? 

Absolutely.  We pay the UK millions each year for "defence". When was the last time we needed defending? Military aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria has accounted for many hundreds of thousands of lives in the last couple of decades alone. Not to mention the financial hardship our dubious approach to taxation causes in developing countries where the resulting loss of tax revenue can be a matter of life and death. 

Our pitiful contribution to overseas aid, more than ten times lower than internationally agreed levels as a percentage of GDP has no doubt cost q good many lives and doesn't appear to way heavily on many people's minds. They may not close roads, but all are decisions made about your tax contributions which would be far more productive to be appalled about if you dislike death and carnage. Just saying.

[Chris C]

Just now, finlo said:

Care to enlighten us just who gets to benefit from this fantasy land £39,000000 figure?

It's the economy stupid. 

[dilligaf]

12 minutes ago, Chris C said:

Absolutely.  We pay the UK millions each year for "defence". When was the last time we needed defending? Military aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria has accounted for many hundreds of thousands of lives in the last couple of decades alone. Not to mention the financial hardship our dubious approach to taxation causes in developing countries where the resulting loss of tax revenue can be a matter of life and death. 

Our pitiful contribution to overseas aid, more than ten times lower than internationally agreed levels as a percentage of GDP has no doubt cost q good many lives and doesn't appear to way heavily on many people's minds. They may not close roads, but all are decisions made about your tax contributions which would be far more productive to be appalled about if you dislike death and carnage. Just saying.

What a strange and rather twisted way of looking at things. You are just having a laugh aren't you. ?

 If you are serious though, you are weird.

Edit to ask if your missus is called Daphne ?

[Bobbie Bobster]

1 hour ago, Rob Callister said:

... the Isle of Man continues to improve safety each year through training, medical cover, better protection barriers etc etc

Hmmm...?

[Chris C]

18 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

What a strange and rather twisted way of looking at things. You are just having a laugh aren't you. ?

 If you are serious though, you are weird.

Edit to ask if your missus is called Daphne ?

I agree, describing the TT as taxpayer funded death and destruction is a strange and rather twisted way of looking at things, but it wasn't me that suggested it. 

[Chris C]

18 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

Hmmm...?

So as Rob pointed out,  the general trend has been downward since around 2005.

[quilp]

"Strange and rather twisted" how so? It is what it is - tax-payer funded, whether the tax-payer likes it or not. How do you see it Chris?

Had any bad spills yourself? 

[Chris C]

2 minutes ago, quilp said:

"Strange and rather twisted" how so? It is what it is - tax-payer funded, whether the tax-payer likes it or not. How do you see it Chris?

Had any bad spills yourself? 

I'm not nearly brave or talented enough to do it. It is taxpayer funded but the death and carnage don't define the event and put into the perspective of the other taxpayer funded activities I mentioned previously it is well down the list if being appalled by such things is your bag. How do you see them Quilp?