On The Bus Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 What's the benefit to the economy of having people come by cruise ship if they're going to be bussed around on a loss-making Government owned bus, to go and pick up shit from a beach with the Beach Wombles? I suppose they might spend £2 on a cup of tea and buy a naff key ring from the Welcome Centre on the way home. They're going to have to try harder if they want £11m for a new pier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The economic benefits are endless. DfE tell us so and have contrived figures to prove it. It will keep the construction industry busy long after the promenade is completed, circa 2050. It must therefore go ahead. Any other benefits or concerns are secondary considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 It will be exactly what they tell you it will be. No arguments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 None either commercially or environmentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 just think of all the new taxes to pay for it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Economic benefits of having a deep water berth which can berth: - larger passenger ferries in emergency/at peak times - project cargo vessels (for windfarm/gas field parts) - bulk cargo vessels larger than Silver River - offshore supply ships - vessels needing temporary layby berth for essential maintenance/crew operational reasons (UK working hours?) ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, On The Bus said: What's the benefit to the economy of having people come by cruise ship if they're going to be bussed around on a loss-making Government owned bus, to go and pick up shit from a beach with the Beach Wombles? I suppose they might spend £2 on a cup of tea and buy a naff key ring from the Welcome Centre on the way home. They're going to have to try harder if they want £11m for a new pier! There might be some benefit to the Island, it's tourist attractions, operators and other outlets if the cruise companies didn't rip the arse out of the passengers! I've seen the numbers and they don't stack up. If we have to spend money on Douglas Harbour then it should done to improve access to the existing infrastructure for ALL vessel types, not just cruise liners. If not, then let's not bother at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, b4mbi said: Economic benefits of having a deep water berth which can berth: - larger passenger ferries in emergency/at peak times - project cargo vessels (for windfarm/gas field parts) - bulk cargo vessels larger than Silver River - offshore supply ships - vessels needing temporary layby berth for essential maintenance/crew operational reasons (UK working hours?) ?? Agreed. Let's not just look at passenger liners in isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On The Bus Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, Andy Onchan said: There might be some benefit to the Island, it's tourist attractions, operators and other outlets if the cruise companies didn't rip the arse out of the passengers! I've seen the numbers and they don't stack up. It's not just an Isle of Man thing. It happens the world over, cruise liners making massive margins on excursions and activities. Although it might be unique to the Isle of Man that cruise liners make massive margins on attractions that lose massive amounts of taxpayers cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1. Emergency extra hospital. 2. Emergency isolation unit. 3. Extra TT accommodation. 4. Home of rest for old farmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, b4mbi said: Economic benefits of having a deep water berth which can berth: - larger passenger ferries in emergency/at peak times - project cargo vessels (for windfarm/gas field parts) - bulk cargo vessels larger than Silver River - offshore supply ships - vessels needing temporary layby berth for essential maintenance/crew operational reasons (UK working hours?) ?? So you think the same Government purse that bought the SPCo, should pay out millions to allow competition on freight services ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, dilligaf said: So you think the same Government purse that bought the SPCo, should pay out millions to allow competition on freight services ?? SPCo don't have any bulk cargo ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, kevster said: SPCo don't have any bulk cargo ships Er, yes I know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieBrown Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, On The Bus said: I suppose they might spend £2 on a cup of tea and buy a naff key ring from the Welcome Centre on the way home. I doubt that, didn't the government / MNH stall created for the very purpose of selling keyrings to cruise ships just close because it was losing money, as the cruise ship visitors don't even use the sea terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, dilligaf said: So you think the same Government purse that bought the SPCo, should pay out millions to allow competition on freight services ?? Errr no. where do I say that? Ro-ro freight traffic (being the biggest money spinner) is effectively controlled by access to the linkspans. No reason to change that access/arrangement. Not all freight is ro-ro. My point is a proper deep water berth is enabling infrastructure to economic growth/expansion/strategic resilience and is not just about cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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