Mumbai Terror

[Chinahand]

I just have to reiterate my horror at the mind set of the people that planned and took part in this attack.

 

A nutter mumbling prayers and detonating a suicide bomb is a passive-aggressive act par excellence.

 

But these people went out to attack the civillian population of a city. To murder and move on and murder again and again and again.

[Chinahand]

Clicky - photos from Mumbai - some not for the faint hearted.

 

Could people raised in Britain be involved in this horror?

[Mr. Sausages]

I just have to reiterate my horror at the mind set of the people that planned and took part in this attack.

 

A nutter mumbling prayers and detonating a suicide bomb is a passive-aggressive act par excellence.

 

But these people went out to attack the civillian population of a city. To murder and move on and murder again and again and again.

 

I remember being shocked at suicide bombings 10 years ago. Never thought they'd be viewed as the good old days.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

I just have to reiterate my horror at the mind set of the people that planned and took part in this attack.

 

A nutter mumbling prayers and detonating a suicide bomb is a passive-aggressive act par excellence.

 

But these people went out to attack the civillian population of a city. To murder and move on and murder again and again and again.

 

Though from the perspective of these killers, they think they are doing a good job. If they were insane it could be more understandable.

[Sebrof]

You've had since 1996 to have found out Bombay changed it's name to Mumbai. Average intelligence bordering on senility perhaps?

 

When did Roma change its name to Rome? {Rhetorical question}

 

Bombay is the English name for what Indians (some of them) call Mumbai. The PC morons at the British Bullshit Corporation seem to think it is clever to de-anglicise the names for certain places, but not others. They still call Koln Cologne, Deutschland Germany, Den Haag the Hague, etc.; but Peking is now Beijing, Burma Mynamar, etc..

 

Totally inconsistent, and utterly stupid. Important foreign places have earned English names. Equally, important British places have localised names in foreign languages. Is anybody going to tell the French to stop using Londres, or the Poles Londyn? Of course not.

 

I've gone off the BBC. When they caved in over the David Kelly affair they showed they were no longer of any value, and frankly they should be closed down. And the sooner that miserable specimen, Robert Peston, is put out to pasture the better. Why wasn't he warning about the coming economic collapse four years ago? Useless nitwit.

 

S

[Chinahand]

Blimey Sebrof, you do know how to derail a thread don't you. Plus your rage against irrelevencies probably doesn't help your blood pressure .

 

You say naming conventions for foriegn place names are "Totally inconsistent and utterly stupid" and seem upset by this. Sorry but they are - get used to it.

 

Chinese is the master of this sort of thing, as its a character based language with only a very limited sound set to choose from their names for foreign places are only loosely connected with the actual name - the Isle of Man is Ma En Island (or dao) 马恩岛 while London becomes Lun dun 伦敦.

 

Now you are angry that the name of Bombay has changed to Mumbai - why have we changed OUR prononciation - let those Indians do what they like, but we should continue to call it what ever we like.

 

Well just a second - The French may call London Londres - but the simple fact is that this name is derived from the British name - if for some reason London changed its name to Bondon are you really saying that it would make sense for the French to stubbonly stick to Londres and not alter it to Bondres?

 

The people who drew lines on Maps and named places up until reasonably recently too often didn't care what the locals called a place and because they held the power the locals had a foreign name imposed on them - that is now changing - yes Bombay is now called Mumbai, Canton Guangzhou (one point, as far as I can work out the name Canton mixes up the state name Guangdong with the city name Guangzhou - It would be a bit like the Chinese calling Southampton a name derived from Hampshire) etc.

 

The Beijing Peking change is even more interesting. The characters 北京 have been transliterated in two separate systems (pinyin and a predecessor of Wade Giles) into the words Beijing and Peking - now the question is how do you pronounce Beijing or Peking - well if you were to pronounce Peking as it was meant to be pronounced you'd produce exactly the same sound as Beijing.

 

Think this has no relevence to the UK - well if you came from Leicester you'd probably want foreigners to know the correct prononciation of your city, why shouldn't Beijingers be the same?

[hboy]

I see the Sun reported that at least 2 of the gunmen appeared to speak with Bradford accents?

[Sebrof]

You say naming conventions for foriegn place names are "Totally inconsistent and utterly stupid" and seem upset by this. Sorry but they are - get used to it.

 

Don't worry. my blood pressure is fine. Having a rant does wonders, as many people here know.

 

Not sure that you have addressed my point, though, which is that it really isn't up to the people of India (whoops, Bharat) to dictate what we names we give to Indian places, just as it isn't for us to dictate what names Bharatians (whoops, Indians) give to places in the British Isles.

 

And by the way, it was that master of colourful vocabulary, %age, who got the thread onto this subject. I can claim no credit at all.

 

S

[slinkydevil]

You've had since 1996 to have found out Bombay changed it's name to Mumbai. Average intelligence bordering on senility perhaps?

 

When did Roma change its name to Rome? {Rhetorical question}

 

Bombay is the English name for what Indians (some of them) call Mumbai. The PC morons at the British Bullshit Corporation seem to think it is clever to de-anglicise the names for certain places, but not others. They still call Koln Cologne, Deutschland Germany, Den Haag the Hague, etc.; but Peking is now Beijing, Burma Mynamar, etc..

 

Totally inconsistent, and utterly stupid. Important foreign places have earned English names. Equally, important British places have localised names in foreign languages. Is anybody going to tell the French to stop using Londres, or the Poles Londyn? Of course not.

 

I've gone off the BBC. When they caved in over the David Kelly affair they showed they were no longer of any value, and frankly they should be closed down. And the sooner that miserable specimen, Robert Peston, is put out to pasture the better. Why wasn't he warning about the coming economic collapse four years ago? Useless nitwit.

 

S

 

 

 

Thank God a 'twat' is still a 'twat' then eh? How you can put this down to the BBC's fault and therefore they are shit, is a nonsense.

 

When I was in 'Bombay' in 1994 it was called Bombay. Not just by the English but by the locals and had been since around 1500AD since it was renamed by the Portuguese to Bom Bahia (good bay) from the old Arab name of Al Omanis. It was the Gujaratis and Marathi that used the name Mumbai but it's not a translation.

 

I could go on and on about this but to cut a long story short the Shiv Shena party (Marathis wanted the name change (important this - it's a name change not a translation of Bombay) and controversially decided to change it in 1995/6 officially - because they could. It was official.

 

If Paris decided to officially change it's name to Elephant - maps/books/tickets/official recognition etc etc should we still call it Paris? Probably not.

 

TBH I just think you're being anal.

 

S

[Chinahand]

Not sure that you have addressed my point, though, which is that it really isn't up to the people of India (whoops, Bharat) to dictate what we names we give to Indian places, just as it isn't for us to dictate what names Bharatians (whoops, Indians) give to places in the British Isles.

 

S

I think you need to read my 4th and 5th paragraphs again!

[jimbms]

I think you need to read my 4th and 5th paragraphs again!

I am usualy asleep by the 2nd

[keyboarder]

I am

 

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[%age]

I really do wish the BBC said they were talking about a place that was once known as Bombay.

 

Am I a cunt for saying that? Well, I am of at least of average intelligence but honestly I hadn't a fucken clue where Mombai was.

 

This Mumbai was a place entirely new to me. Not knowing where the hell it was I didn't, basically, give a fuck.

 

I honestly did not know where in the world it was until an Indian friend (who is from the Isle of Man . . . ) informed me just now.

 

PC or not fucken PC, give us auld cunts who actually give a damn, some sort of fucken clue. (BBC)

 

If you are of above average intelligence, you've had below average education. I think they've even stopped referencing this name change in pub quizzes because it happened so long ago. It's not the BBC's fault that you don't absorb information from T.V., books, newspapers, radio etc.

 

Perhaps I have to admit I am below average intelligence and had a shite education. I'm probably a bit of a twat too. Feeling quite belittled today, I asked the woman in the paper shop if she could tell me where Mumbai was. Nope she couldn't.

 

Same with the taxi driver (amazingly). Same with some random folk in the pub. But there again I was in Macbeths. Still, those people all have their place in the world. Although perhaps more to be pitied than scorned as the big yin might say.

 

Some people weren't as fortunate as others to have such a wonderful standard of general education and knowledge .

 

OK we all know now where the place is now, but I wonder if the know-alls amongst us had asked round their workplaces last week, how many of their colleagues would have known?

 

There are some that need to take their head out of their arse and realise that not everyone in the world is as fucken smart as they are. And yes I include the fuckers at the BBC for that.

[Mission]

I really do wish the BBC said they were talking about a place that was once known as Bombay.

 

Am I a cunt for saying that? Well, I am of at least of average intelligence but honestly I hadn't a fucken clue where Mombai was.

 

This Mumbai was a place entirely new to me. Not knowing where the hell it was I didn't, basically, give a fuck.

 

I honestly did not know where in the world it was until an Indian friend (who is from the Isle of Man . . . ) informed me just now.

 

PC or not fucken PC, give us auld cunts who actually give a damn, some sort of fucken clue. (BBC)

 

If you are of above average intelligence, you've had below average education. I think they've even stopped referencing this name change in pub quizzes because it happened so long ago. It's not the BBC's fault that you don't absorb information from T.V., books, newspapers, radio etc.

 

Perhaps I have to admit I am below average intelligence and had a shite education. I'm probably a bit of a twat too. Feeling quite belittled today, I asked the woman in the paper shop if she could tell me where Mumbai was. Nope she couldn't.

 

Same with the taxi driver (amazingly). Same with some random folk in the pub. But there again I was in Macbeths. Still, those people all have their place in the world. Although perhaps more to be pitied than scorned as the big yin might say.

 

Some people weren't as fortunate as others to have such a wonderful standard of general education and knowledge .

 

OK we all know now where the place is now, but I wonder if the know-alls amongst us had asked round their workplaces last week, how many of their colleagues would have known?

 

There are some that need to take their head out of their arse and realise that not everyone in the world is as fucken smart as they are. And yes I include the fuckers at the BBC for that.

 

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[theman]

how long till there's terror attacks on are rock? after all. all the uk's money is on the rock? what would we do?