Keep The Isle Of Man White & Free From Foreigners

[manxman2]

Let's not even discuss the rantings of those stupid evil twats. Oxygen of publicity and all that.

 

great post .. 22 pages later and ??.

[Chinahand]

Most Manx people are not bigots. The Manx are probably the best friends the English have, and that is something to be proud of. It is one thing to be concerned about the massive demographic change, another thing entirely to make judgements about people based on where they were born, the way they speak, or the way they look. To willfully ignore, reject or disdain people with different backgrounds to your own is just ignorant because you are denying yourself one of the great joys of life - exploring the diversity of human experience. There is an argument to be made that, whilst there are more English people on the island now than ever, there are also more Manx people on the island than ever too - because more people are being born here and can see a future here than ever - although I have concerns about how sustainable this is. I'm sorry if you don't like the idea Smooks, but if you grow up here then you cannot be anything else but from here, in other words, Manx. If you also happen to have family in another part of the world, well more power to you, but you're still Manx.

Very well put Freggragh.

[manxman2]

Don't think I can add anything else, its a pointless debate really, i'm a foreigner to the Island, ok i'm white and british, but i'm not Manx, don't see how that makes me any different to anyone else that is black, white or otherwise.

 

Hate to think how these people will react if they need medical help, the hospital would be severly understaffed if it wasn't for the "foreigners", as would a lot of the islands shops, hotels and other places.

 

Restrict it to Manx born and there would be be 80% of the island gone.

 

as someone who has just spent a month of 16/20 hours a day of bedside sitting up there ward5 i can say without compunction its a mixed blessing having all foriegn staff up there.

 

the doctors and specialists are or appear to be knowledgable people and very good at their jobs imo .. the ward staff however would show more empathy to their patients/charges if they worked in a kennels. .. its just a job and going that extra mile for terminal patients who they struggle to understand or have any cultural link too and little compassion for is beyond most of them and i feel sorry for anyone here on the island assuming/believing our wonderful new hospital and its staff will do everything in their power to ease your suffering .. as its an illusion soon shattered.

it may have been a different experience had the ward been staffed with an extra pair of hands or 2 .. reality is it was not.

 

 

the hospice however again surpassed every expectation and it is one of lifes sick ironies that you have to be terminally ill to be treated with care and compassion on the isle of man.

[manxman2]

Although the facebook page was deeply ignorant I find it all somewhat academic. He says hes proud to be white and manx. Half the kids in my class at school were non manx. That was 10 years ago. People with manx blood, manx names, have been decreasing gradually over the years. Being manx today is no longer about a tiny culture, way of life, breeding a certain type of person on this rock in the irish sea, like it has been for generations. For some people its become little more than a location name printed on your passport. We can't turn back the clock nor should we. Immigration helped make the island special, helped make it the longest running democratically governed part of planet earth when the Vikings settled these shores over a thousand years ago.

 

The island has long suffered from inbreeding. The cats lost their tales because of it. Christ knows what it did to the people. With fresh blood, new genes, new people coming in from all over the world. Its a good thing. However one thing we should never forget, thats that being manx, being from the Isle of Man, we do still have something that England has lost. And thats a sense of Identity. When I was in Australia last year I saw a manx flag on Bondi beach. I went over and said hello. Instantly there was a bond. We both felt proud to be manx. From the same place, from a similar background with the same history, indeed legacy, of the island. Could an English person have the same reaction to seeing a St George's Cross? I doubt it....they probably wouldn't be allowed....

 

As long as people who settle in our island, like the vikings did a thousand years ago, who brought much culture with them, as long as they seek to adopt it as their home, that the manx flag becomes their flag. And not seek to turn it into mini Pakistan like we see in large English cities where you have no go areas, not just for caucasian people, but black, oriental, hispanic, any race, greed or ethnicity other than Pakistani descent, for example. As long as we don't fall into the muddled logic of marginalizing people into "having their own area" instead of everybody being treated equal, then we should not fear immigration. But we must be willing to have a frank and honest discussion and not be silenced by political correctness gone mad. Like we witness so often in England. We cannot let the the word "Racist" be flung about to silence legitimate concerns.

 

With regards being Manx....what it meant to be manx 100 years ago and what it means today, its changed a lot. But I think its a question of who you are in your heart. I for one am very proud to call myself manx. To see the gravestones of past generations of my family stretching back hundreds of years. To know my great grandfather walked down Strand Street 90 years ago as I walk it today. I hope future generations of manx men and women, who's families settled here in my lifetime can say the same thing.

 

an excellent post i hope i may view more like this as i leave page 3 thru page 22 ..

[ans]

Anyway Tugger, I'm off. This place is misnamed - 'Manx Forums' - a joke, a better title would be 'Comeovers Corner'.

 

I find your animosity towards comeovers quite curious considering your father was one.

[manxman2]

I was in Leicester a coupla weeks ago and while walking down the London Road at around 10.00pm on a Saturday night I was accosted by two asian teenagers.

 

Do you know what they did the barstewards???!!!

 

They only went and asked me for a light!!

 

I am scared witless about what might happen if the Isle of Man ever became multicultural. Imagine trying to walk along Douglas Prom late at night. The local yoofs would be on one side, spitting, drinking and shouting abuse and there would be asians on the other side politely asking for a light. Armageddon!!!!!

 

bit of a cheek asking for a light when they own all the newsagents/tobbacconists over there..

[manxman2]

Although my facebook group caused lots of public attention for and against a mosque being built on the IOM it was not racially motivated it was purely for people's opinions. This group " 'Keep The Isle Of Man White & Free From Foreigners" is the worst stuff I have ever read, I'm sure some of the stuff written on her could lead to police prosecution, I think people who have wrote this stuff should be prosecuted as I am sure if any of these comments were made in a public place or work place they would face disciplinary action.

 

Trying to redeem yourself by pointing out a site even worse than yours? Piss poor I'm afraid ... cowardly and very very piss poor. You're really not terribly bright are you?

 

pot kettle ..

[manxman2]

What the fuck have we become?

 

great question .. probably why it went unanswered.

[Tugger]

Bye I'm gone now and won't be back

 

Ta ta

 

I find your animosity towards comeovers quite curious considering your father was one.

 

Ha ha I so hope that's true

[manxman2]

Ive never been a racist, I just don't like the idea of foreigners being brought in to be used as cheap labour. If they can do the job pay them the going rate, the same rate as any other person. Why dont the locals take on the low paid jobs if the rate of pay offered is good enough for some it should be good enough for all. Its about time our Governemnts did something about some of our own lazy locals, make them take on some of the low paid jobs instead of paying out in benifits.

 

The only reason why these people take the lowest pay is because they are used to far SHITTER wages. Why should local people accept crap wages for crap work? Nobody should be obliged let alone forced to do mindless, menial jobs that you get hardly anything for.

http://www.gov.im/dti/jobcentre/welcome.aspx

 

And why should the rest of the working population and the Government pay out to keep those not prepared to work.

every one of the jobs at this link will pay more than state benifit.

 

 

 

http://www.gov.im/dti/jobcentre/welcome.aspx

not quite as simple as just one actual benefit though, once you stick in job seekers allowance, your rent etc paid for you, benefits really can be beneficial compared to working in some cases. or to put it another way, i work, i can't afford a big flat screen tv, or more than the basic satellite package, my PC still has noah's fingerprints on it. there are a few 'unemployed' that have all the trappings of working for a living that i can't afford and they manage to hit the pub a few nights a week. that isn't how it ought to be in my books.

 

quite right .. single mothers that have a better lifestyle than working families are common .. is the answer to penalise the single mother or subsidise the working lowly paid family man...??

[Slim]

[Ha ha I so hope that's true

 

Hehe. What's your house called Smooks?

[QLD-Bloke]

If you'd been born in China would that make you Chinese?

 

Yes.

 

You appear to be deliberately blurring nationality and genetics - usually a trick of the BNP and their ilk made necessary when they have to "explain" why black britons aren't really British even though they were born in Birmingham.

 

 

 

Oh dear (yet) another comeover trying to pretend that they're Manx.

 

That would be why my forum name is QLD-Bloke - QLD stands for Queensland - I'm Australian and proud of it. I suppose I shouldn't condemn you for not knowing that but I do condemn your inability to express yourself. Your question was answered exactly as you asked - if you don't like the direct inferences that can be drawn from your questions then think about your phraseology before you hit post. Which brings us to...

 

There's no way that I'm a right wing nutter

 

But you are clearly of "their ilk" as you would seem (by your example) to deny Manxness to those born here - why else would you ask the question you did?

 

but the English attempts to make us English really piss me, and many others, off. You people can't seem to understand that it's not your presence here which is a problem, it's your attempts (albeit unwitting) to make us English which rankles,

 

See above. I'm not English.

 

I'm quite happy to accept that you don't want to be English either and I trust that you are an active member of the Friends of Manx National Heritage since MNH does a bang up job of defining and explaining the Manx culture for us foreigners - especially the parts identfying Manx uniqueness. A job they do without ever defining Manxness by what it is not.

 

The simple mantra 'I'm NOT English and you're NOT Manx" is not particularly useful in preserving your heritage against the tendency of immigration to disperse or dilute that which is deserving of being preserved.

[manxman2]

Someof us can still remember the hard times.

There was a short lived post war "boom" but the 1950's saw very hard times for most people on the Isle of Man. The population fell from a post war peak of 54000 to only 47000. There were empty houses and no work. Winter job paycuts or layoffs were common. many people were forced to leave their homeland to seek work. Some went to the sugar beet areas of England, others left permanently. Many Manx people went to the new world of Australia. The death rate on the island is regularly higher than the birth rate.

 

I'm sorry the relevance of that post bypassed me completely.

 

Would you care to insert a point to that statement?

 

No state payouts in them days you either found work or starved

 

we never starved the older lads went to the beet mills for the summer and then government jobs held open for them in the winter .. add too that the processing of several hundred rabbits a week / scrap metal etc and although we were the biggest family in ballasalla we were also the first with colour tv etc etc .. a big brood made for many hands at work.. .. certainly was not any kind of utopia but it made for a very closeknit family and i wouldnt swap my childhood for anything..

[Lee54]

Someof us can still remember the hard times.

There was a short lived post war "boom" but the 1950's saw very hard times for most people on the Isle of Man. The population fell from a post war peak of 54000 to only 47000. There were empty houses and no work. Winter job paycuts or layoffs were common. many people were forced to leave their homeland to seek work. Some went to the sugar beet areas of England, others left permanently. Many Manx people went to the new world of Australia. The death rate on the island is regularly higher than the birth rate.

 

I'm sorry the relevance of that post bypassed me completely.

 

Would you care to insert a point to that statement?

 

No state payouts in them days you either found work or starved

 

we never starved the older lads went to the beet mills for the summer and then government jobs held open for them in the winter .. add too that the processing of several hundred rabbits a week / scrap metal etc and although we were the biggest family in ballasalla we were also the first with colour tv etc etc .. a big brood made for many hands at work.. .. certainly was not any kind of utopia but it made for a very closeknit family and i wouldnt swap my childhood for anything..

 

Mr Lowey, how are you

[Lee54]

Nice to see the DTL taking a bit of action. This year the staff at the DTL are doing the painting of the score boards and other works up at the Grandstand. I cant see Mr Pitts being very happy losing a painting contract hes had for many years to unskilled non DTI approved workers.