Matt Bawden Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 What I don't understand is that the gulf between petrol and diesel is increasing all the time, out a year ago it was the same price and now it's 6p per litre more expensive for diesel over petrol after a steady increase over that period, why is this, why isn't there a constant differential between petrol and diesel. quite simple. supply and demand. more diesel being used than petrol, Oh right, cheers. Bollox, and I thought I was being smart buying a diesel two years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 What I don't understand is that the gulf between petrol and diesel is increasing all the time, out a year ago it was the same price and now it's 6p per litre more expensive for diesel over petrol after a steady increase over that period, why is this, why isn't there a constant differential between petrol and diesel. quite simple. supply and demand. more diesel being used than petrol, Oh right, cheers. Bollox, and I thought I was being smart buying a diesel two years ago! the gov were just smarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EORH Posted December 12, 2010 Author Share Posted December 12, 2010 I remember when they first had diesel cars which were on the market in any numbers,I said at the time to my workmates that as soon as there are more diesels about than petrol the oil companies will put the price higher than petrol,its the same with gas,if that took off up would go the price. I'm sure that most of you know that in the rest of Europe diesel prices are cheaper than petrol,its because of the smallholders/farmers who all have diesels,the petrol is for the tourists. It seems amazing that countries like the UK and Norway who are oil producers have high taxes/prices,but the EU countries who don't produce oil have cheaper prices,then you come to the opec countries who are also oil producers in greater volumes,they have prices for nothing,strange,or is it just greed on the part of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunset Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 DIfficulty in delivering fuel due to snow causing shortages seems to be the reason for the price hike in the UK and our prices then knock on from that. But we all know there is always a rise here when lots of visitors are due for race meetings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 DIfficulty in delivering fuel due to snow causing shortages seems to be the reason for the price hike in the UK and our prices then knock on from that. But we all know there is always a rise here when lots of visitors are due for race meetings! i canty take that as a reason. while maybe in scotland its the reason at the pump, and the fact most of the oil in the uk gos in pipelines to holding tanks then the snow wont have effected this at all. theres just a shortage in the scotland at the pumps, not at the depots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 I remember when they first had diesel cars which were on the market in any numbers,I said at the time to my workmates that as soon as there are more diesels about than petrol the oil companies will put the price higher than petrol,its the same with gas,if that took off up would go the price. I'm sure that most of you know that in the rest of Europe diesel prices are cheaper than petrol,its because of the smallholders/farmers who all have diesels,the petrol is for the tourists. The UK excise duty on diesel is the same as for petrol. Whilst diesel used to be cheaper to refine the oil companies say that the cost of refining the less polluting low sulphur diesel is about the same as for petrol. At the moment diesel drivers have the advantage of better mpg but modern petrol engines are catching up. In the countries where diesel is cheaper the duties on diesel are lower than for petrol. Is there any particular reason why diesel should have lower excise duty than petrol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Is there any particular reason why diesel should have lower excise duty than petrol? Presume it would make goods cheaper?, providing any reductions would be passed down to the consumer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manx black cat Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Cheapest stations within 5 miles of IM4 5BB for Unleaded 124.9p Peel Road Service Station Peel Road, Douglas, IM1 5EW Total, 2.49 miles away, last updated on 14 December Cheapest stations within 5 miles of Darlington for Unleaded 118.9p Shell Woodland Road Woodland Road, Darlington, DL3 9NQ Shell, 1.43 miles away, last updated on 18 December 119.9p Tcs Grange Road Grange Road, Darlington, DL1 5NP Total, 0.9 miles away, last updated on 19 December 119.9p Morrisons Darlington North Road, Darlington, DL1 2PY Morrisons, 1.18 miles away, last updated on 19 December 119.9p Asda Darlington Whinbush Way, Whinfield District Centre, Darlington, DL1 3RB Asda, 2.37 miles away, last updated on 18 December 120.9p Morrisons Morton Park Morton Park Way, Darlington, DL1 4PJ Morrisons, 3.37 miles away, last updated on 19 December Cheapest stations within 5 miles of Douglas for Unleaded 122.9p M74 Cairn Lodge Happendon Motorway Service Area M74 J11-12, Lesmahagow, Lanark, ML11 0JA Shell, 2.51 miles away, last updated on 18 December Cheapest stations within 5 miles of Liverpool for Unleaded 119.9p Shell Lairds New Chester Road, Birkenhead, CH41 9BW Shell, 2.52 miles away, last updated on 17 December 119.9p Green Lane Service Station New Chester Road, Birkenhead, CH41 9AZ Esso, 2.57 miles away, last updated on 19 December 119.9p Anfield Service Station Oakfield Road, Walton, Liverpool, L4 0UE Total, 2.64 miles away, last updated on 17 December 119.9p Bootle Service Station Brewster Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool, L4 3TL Esso, 3.13 miles away, last updated on 17 December 119.9p Asda Bromborough Welton Road, Bromborough, Wirral, CH62 3QP Asda, 3.9 miles away, last updated on 17 December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Morrisons Morecambe 120.9 this morning. P.S. Has anyone bought heating oil in the last week. UK prices seem to have gone mad because of the cold weather and high demand. As of two days ago Northern Ireland prices appear to have been the lowest in the UK. NI petrol which has to be shipped in was 121.9/122.9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 The UK excise duty on diesel is the same as for petrol. Whilst diesel used to be cheaper to refine the oil companies say that the cost of refining the less polluting low sulphur diesel is about the same as for petrol. At the moment diesel drivers have the advantage of better mpg but modern petrol engines are catching up. In the countries where diesel is cheaper the duties on diesel are lower than for petrol. Is there any particular reason why diesel should have lower excise duty than petrol? Diesel is effectively heating oil with the addition of a lubricant. The reason diesel is going up so much is the increase in the amount of heating oil being used in the domestic market. It is unfair that domestic heating oil and gas are taxed at such a low rate, with motorists effectively subsidusing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 The UK excise duty on diesel is the same as for petrol. Whilst diesel used to be cheaper to refine the oil companies say that the cost of refining the less polluting low sulphur diesel is about the same as for petrol. At the moment diesel drivers have the advantage of better mpg but modern petrol engines are catching up. In the countries where diesel is cheaper the duties on diesel are lower than for petrol. Is there any particular reason why diesel should have lower excise duty than petrol? Diesel is effectively heating oil with the addition of a lubricant. The reason diesel is going up so much is the increase in the amount of heating oil being used in the domestic market. It is unfair that domestic heating oil and gas are taxed at such a low rate, with motorists effectively subsidusing them. Not quite, domestic heating oil uses 28 sec kerosine/parrafin large commercial heating units use 35 sec red diesel which is the same as road diesel plus the red dye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 The UK excise duty on diesel is the same as for petrol. Whilst diesel used to be cheaper to refine the oil companies say that the cost of refining the less polluting low sulphur diesel is about the same as for petrol. At the moment diesel drivers have the advantage of better mpg but modern petrol engines are catching up. In the countries where diesel is cheaper the duties on diesel are lower than for petrol. Is there any particular reason why diesel should have lower excise duty than petrol? Diesel is effectively heating oil with the addition of a lubricant. The reason diesel is going up so much is the increase in the amount of heating oil being used in the domestic market. It is unfair that domestic heating oil and gas are taxed at such a low rate, with motorists effectively subsidusing them. Not quite, domestic heating oil uses 28 sec kerosine/parrafin large commercial heating units use 35 sec red diesel which is the same as road diesel plus the red dye. So effectively the same then. Basically, if you add 10% motor oil to domestic heating oil it will work in a diesel car, except for more recent high tech diesels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 A lot of heavy oils will run in an older diesel engine - even waste engine oil will at a push with a bit of methanol chucked in, but that doesn't make them the same as derv. The fact that you must blend it with a heavier fraction proves the point entirely! The resultant blend will be of a similar viscosity but it's still very different to regular derv. People using home heating oil aren't being subsidised by motorists at all - the two distillates are not the same and production of one is not at the expense of production capacity of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Diesel is effectively heating oil with the addition of a lubricant. Is home heating oil 'low sulphur' these days? The excuse of the refiners was that diesel these days has to have more additives to make it low sulphur. Article here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 The UK excise duty on diesel is the same as for petrol. Whilst diesel used to be cheaper to refine the oil companies say that the cost of refining the less polluting low sulphur diesel is about the same as for petrol. At the moment diesel drivers have the advantage of better mpg but modern petrol engines are catching up. In the countries where diesel is cheaper the duties on diesel are lower than for petrol. Is there any particular reason why diesel should have lower excise duty than petrol? Diesel is effectively heating oil with the addition of a lubricant. The reason diesel is going up so much is the increase in the amount of heating oil being used in the domestic market. It is unfair that domestic heating oil and gas are taxed at such a low rate, with motorists effectively subsidusing them. Not quite, domestic heating oil uses 28 sec kerosine/parrafin large commercial heating units use 35 sec red diesel which is the same as road diesel plus the red dye. So effectively the same then. Basically, if you add 10% motor oil to domestic heating oil it will work in a diesel car, except for more recent high tech diesels. It will run on many things chip fat etc, doesn't make it the same though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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