Thomas Jefferson Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You can't solve it by an aggressive war of course because the enemy is within as well as without. You could nuke Mecca and Medina, since Muhammad claimed they would never be destroyed. It would debunk his claims to prophethood, if his being a child molestor, mass murderer, racist, and pirate didn't already do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 TJ - you certainly have a point there (post 60), but I am not sure exactly to what extent. I am sure that they are not as smart as they think they are because they are going to reap the whirlwind along with the rest of us. And all because they wanted cheap labour to further assuage their greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Woolley, as I have written before (this is all so futile, isn't it?) you can't integrate all Muslims into Western, democratic society. There will always be those who for whatever reason feel excluded, and invest their hopes in radical religious views. You are quite right that these vicious attacks will continue. All we can do is try to win the vast majority of Muslim immigrants to our values, and to goal-keep as best we can in order to protect our citizens. In short, liberal democracy is doing more or less the right things given where we are. We do need to control our border, and know exactly who is coming and going. US immigration requires fingerprints, but other biometric data like facial recognition might be more effective. Basically, technology might be a way to goal-keep rather more effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Couldn't agree more With Chomsky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Objectivity is a delusion because there is no such thing as absolute certainty. It's hardly delusional at all should you compare it to the outcome of deductions based on some old book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nothing on the scale of what they face now and in the future. The end of their state as they know it. Well hundreds were killed in Paris in '61 and '62 by those who also sought to over-through the nascent 5th Republic. Society is sometimes very dangerous. Knee-jerkery is not the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's hardly delusional at all should you compare it to the outcome of deductions based on some old book. Your comparison encompasses two different subjectivities. In practice objective analysis is always subjective. ETA: spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nothing on the scale of what they face now and in the future. The end of their state as they know it. Well hundreds were killed in Paris in '61 and '62 by those who also sought to over-through the nascent 5th Republic. Society is sometimes very dangerous. Knee-jerkery is not the solution. Hundreds, you say. Watch this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 ^ doomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 ^ doomer Irresponsible, reckless optimism has been one of the problems that got us where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Maybe in a few years, after France falls to Muslim occupation, the BBC can recommission 'Allo 'Allo with a modern spin as Allah Allah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Fallen Prophet with the big boomies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Woolley, as I have written before (this is all so futile, isn't it?) Yes. I have times when I realise we are going around in circles, think there is absolutely no point in posting at all and stay away for a few days or only comment with a few words on what others have put. Then somehow I get drawn back in again. Can't explain it. No doubt others think the same way sometimes. I will say that it is an intelligent and vigourously posted forum compared to many I have seen. Even where you profoundly disagree with people most seem to have a brain. Can you go on Facebook and say the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 with today's shooting, which seems unconnected to the first, it makes you wonder just how many people are riding around in cars with guns ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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