GD4ELI Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 no way,they are vichy collaberators through and through,they could'nt fight their way out of a paper bag. Comments like this just show how ignorant you are. Just f**k off until you grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Stand up for atheism and secularism, folks Absolutely. The rest of your post is spot on too. As soon as you give anyone with faith, whatever it is, special treatment because they believe in some unprovable bollox you are setting yourself up for trouble one way or another. If you want to question or even laugh at their beliefs you should be able to instead of worrying about causing offence. You have to remember that some people go around looking for something to be offended about and after 2000 years of this shite this is what can happen. I don't care if you're religious just like I don't care if you like (thinks of something entirely inconsequential) playing football. To me it doesn't matter however if you are in my face with it and it starts to impinge on my life, I should then be free to object and if that causes you offence, tough. I really don't care if you offend me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The magazine in its former incarnation was banned. I doubt that helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Free speech must be defended The magazine in its former incarnation was banned. That kind of supine gesture gives these savages encouragement and, in their eyes, legitimacy for their outrageous doings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Free speech must be defendedThe magazine in its former incarnation was banned. That kind of supine gesture gives these savages encouragement and, in their eyes, legitimacy for their outrageous doings. I don't see how. Since the magazine in its former incarnation was banned by the French govt because it offended opinion following the death of de Gaulle. ETA: my point is that speech is not free. Even if we would want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is it only me that thinks the perpetrators of crimes like this seem to enjoy free speech but those that question or offend them don't? How's that going to work then? Free speech is one of the few things LDV changed my mind on a year or two back. I said free speech could never be absolute. He disagreed and I now think he was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I said free speech could never be absolute. He disagreed and I now think he was right.I tend to think that it is almost always a mistake to significantly alter one's beliefs in response to something which has just happened. Also - if you change your values in response to force then hasn't force succeeded ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I haven't changed my mind in response to today's tragic events. I changed it a couple of years back having had time to consider what LDV, at the time, had said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's part of our culture to take the piss out of religion. That's any religion. You don't like it? Fine. Why not just fuck off and live in some Islamic third world shithole where subjugating women is the status quo? Oh, and if you fall seriously ill you've only got your religious beliefs to blame for your untreated demise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hollande: "We will defend our freedom." Oui, monsieur. Until you are in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yeah, I think a bit of a reconquista is in order in Europe at the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Islam is an ideology of hate, paranoia, and bigotry. People need to stop giving it special status as being beyond criticism -- its adherents are not a race or an ethnicity, they're followers of an ideology which just like Nazism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 And you lot who are trying to make this about religion are wrong. This is about ISLAMISM. It's not a religion, it's a totalitarian ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Let's face it. It's like being attacked by Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble. They look ridiculous in their sandals, and their stupid beards, and those smocks, and the little white paper hats. They're like evil Stone Age clowns. It's so hard to take fancy dress terrorists seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I doubt the French police will want to take these scum alive. I certainly wouldn't, whatever the consequences. Bring it on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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