notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 So nothing to do with ocean Ford then. Ocean Ford bought out EB's years ago. Don't try to wriggle out of you being totally wrong about everything with that comment. They bought E B Christians and finally relocated the EB sites on the Bridge at the Quay, and at the Airport garage, to the ex Barry Curran site at Braddan. The site on the Quay was sold to Dandara who built Quay West on there where they are still trying to sell a £2m penthouse overlooking the Tesco's carpark to some mug. I'm not trying to "wriggle out" of anything. The original comment was about a "mass exodus" and included Eb Christians. Which was materially incorrect. They've not been in Douglas for many years. If anything they've relocated back into Douglas at a much greater cost than they were subject to at Castletown. By all means let's make sweeping statements about "a mass exodus" but please back it up with (a) a mass and (b) an exodus. Someone cited RBS leaving Victoria Street FFS! Them leaving the RBS building has absolutely nothing to do with the rent being paid. As Gladys points out (correctly) in the case of larger business entities it is as much, if not more, about suitability than it is purely about pounds per square foot rental. I doubt Zurich moving to the Business Park is going to be financially a lot cheaper. Canada Life will be the same. The mass exodus actually seems to extend to less than one a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Ocean Ford as far as I know, bought the business, but not the properties off E.B. Christian's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That is correct. The eb site was sold for 3m to dandara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Conister Trust (from Finch Road) Well they did, but it obviously didn't suit because they then moved again - to Victoria Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 So nothing to do with ocean Ford then. Ocean Ford bought out EB's years ago. Don't try to wriggle out of you being totally wrong about everything with that comment. They bought E B Christians and finally relocated the EB sites on the Bridge at the Quay, and at the Airport garage, to the ex Barry Curran site at Braddan. The site on the Quay was sold to Dandara who built Quay West on there where they are still trying to sell a £2m penthouse overlooking the Tesco's carpark to some mug. I'm not trying to "wriggle out" of anything. The original comment was about a "mass exodus" and included Eb Christians. Which was materially incorrect. They've not been in Douglas for many years. If anything they've relocated back into Douglas at a much greater cost than they were subject to at Castletown. By all means let's make sweeping statements about "a mass exodus" but please back it up with (a) a mass and (b) an exodus. The mass exodus actually seems to extend to less than one a year. Keep digging. I came up with at least 12 businesses that have relocated from Douglas to Braddan in the last 15 years despite you doing your usual aggressive response accusing people of talking rubbish. That is pretty much an exodus. Ocean Ford re-located from the E B site on the Quay to Castletown and then to Braddan. It was a Douglas business for 50 years that ended up in Braddan. You do understand that when you buy a business it's still the same business that has a new owner? And Ocean Ford traded off that property when they bought th business anyway. You're now picking holes in one business mentioned to try to save face when there were 11 others I mentioned that have also moved from central Douglas to Braddan in the last 10/15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You are speaking rubbish. It's painful. Is it an age thing? There has been no exodus. And a load of your examples have been shown up as bollocks in the context you are trying to make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You are speaking rubbish. It's painful. Is it an age thing? There has been no exodus. And a load of your examples have been shown up as bollocks in the context you are trying to make out. Rileys (from the Quay) Manx Telecom (from Ridgeway St) Zurich (from Athol Street) RL360 (from Athol Street) Douglas Corporation (from Douglas) Ocean Ford (from the Quay) Nordea Life (from Athol street) Bibby Group (from Peel Road) The Red Cross (from Derby Road) Haldane Fisher (the Quay) The Post Sorting Office (Circular Road) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You are speaking rubbish. It's painful. Is it an age thing? There has been no exodus. And a load of your examples have been shown up as bollocks in the context you are trying to make out. Rileys (from the Quay) Manx Telecom (from Ridgeway St) Zurich (from Athol Street) RL360 (from Athol Street) Douglas Corporation (from Douglas) Ocean Ford (from the Quay) Nordea Life (from Athol street) Bibby Group (from Peel Road) The Red Cross (from Derby Road) Haldane Fisher (the Quay) The Post Sorting Office (Circular Road) Really, stop embarrassing yourself. Firstly, that's not a mass exodus. It's a handful of companies (some tiny) over a 15 year period. Secondly, the majority of those have not moved out of Douglas because of rental demands. Which was the thrust of your response to that very point. Can you see that the bulk of those have moved for business logistics reasons rather then rent costs? RL 360 bought Scot Prov - which was in a huge building capable of housing more than double the staff they had. Ocean Ford - I don't get your point here. They bought the EB's business, the lease was up and the owners of the site had a massive offer on the table from Dandara. (they got £3m for that site). They moved down SOUTH. Post Office - Circular Road was totally unsuitable. Why wouldn't they move and why do they need to be in town? Rileys - in an awful location and have moved to the perfect, purpose built spot. Again, nothing to do with rent. Zurich - the same. It's be costing them more to move to the business park than it would have done to remain in town. It isn't a rental play. Haldane Fisher - see above. Nothing complicated here. Stop digging son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 The garage is just a front, their ambitions are to create a large retail park. Great, town outskirts retail parks for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You are speaking rubbish. It's painful. Is it an age thing? There has been no exodus. And a load of your examples have been shown up as bollocks in the context you are trying to make out. Rileys (from the Quay) Manx Telecom (from Ridgeway St) Zurich (from Athol Street) RL360 (from Athol Street) Douglas Corporation (from Douglas) Ocean Ford (from the Quay) Nordea Life (from Athol street) Bibby Group (from Peel Road) The Red Cross (from Derby Road) Haldane Fisher (the Quay) The Post Sorting Office (Circular Road) Really, stop embarrassing yourself. Firstly, that's not a mass exodus. It's a handful of companies (some tiny) over a 15 year period. Secondly, the majority of those have not moved out of Douglas because of rental demands. Which was the thrust of your response to that very point. Can you see that the bulk of those have moved for business logistics reasons rather then rent costs? RL 360 bought Scot Prov - which was in a huge building capable of housing more than double the staff they had. Ocean Ford - I don't get your point here. They bought the EB's business, the lease was up and the owners of the site had a massive offer on the table from Dandara. (they got £3m for that site). They moved down SOUTH. Post Office - Circular Road was totally unsuitable. Why wouldn't they move and why do they need to be in town? Rileys - in an awful location and have moved to the perfect, purpose built spot. Again, nothing to do with rent. Zurich - the same. It's be costing them more to move to the business park than it would have done to remain in town. It isn't a rental play. Haldane Fisher - see above. Nothing complicated here. Stop digging son. You really are Trump level delusional about your ability to be right in absolutely every situation known to man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 It's only matched by your being wrong all the time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 It's only matched by your being wrong all the time though. Rileys (from the Quay) Manx Telecom (from Ridgeway St) Zurich (from Athol Street) RL360 (from Athol Street) Douglas Corporation (from Douglas) Ocean Ford (from the Quay) Nordea Life (from Athol street) Bibby Group (from Peel Road) The Red Cross (from Derby Road) Haldane Fisher (from the Quay) The Post Sorting Office (from Circular Road) All moved to Braddan from Douglas in the last 15 years. Your ability to swear black is white is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Your inability to put into context a "mass exodus" and also quantify those moving because of rent costs (your original point) are more concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 It does appear there is a mass exodus of retailers and financial companies out of Douglas and into the surrounding areas. Probably something to do with the ridiculously high rental prices. It's cheaper in the long run to literally go and build your own building. What mass exodus? Rileys (from the Quay) Manx Telecom (from Ridgeway St) Zurich (from Athol Street) RL360 (from Athol Street) Conister Trust (from Finch Road) Douglas Corporation (from Douglas) Ocean Ford (from the Quay) Nordea Life (from Athol street) Bibby Group (from Peel Road) The Red Cross (from Derby Road) For context just in case your are forgetting what you are actually posting to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Your inability to put into context a "mass exodus" and also quantify those moving because of rent costs (your original point) are more concerning. So 12 companies (at least) comprising of hundreds and hundreds of employees over a long period of time is not a mass exodus? You're just making yourself look foolish now. I still don't see you backing up anything you say other than accusing others of talking bollocks or nonsense. I'm sure you sit there all day convincing yourself that black is white to the general amusement of all around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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