Tarne Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I've done successful crowdfunding before on justgiving (actually four times what the horse trams have got atm). The pier is a waste of time and effort. To do anything with it, you'd basically need a brand new pier, and no one is doing them any more. The survey and shit was done a long time ago on that pier, it's just a big money sink. I can guarantee before any work is to be started on it another survey or two will be required. It's absolute utter nonsense, but people will continue to waste their time with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Your assertion that it is "unnecessary" is just your opinion , bit like, I would suggest , many of your posts. Unnecessary...as in not of an immediate need or requirement. Do you we need them? No. Are they a requirement? No. Just saying. Hope that helps. what's all this "WE" cobblers . Some may argue that they are a valued attraction . Does this forum "need you" ....... perhaps not hope this helps , if only to serve that at least one resident on this island disagrees with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I've done successful crowdfunding before on justgiving (actually four times what the horse trams have got atm). The pier is a waste of time and effort. To do anything with it, you'd basically need a brand new pier, and no one is doing them any more. The survey and shit was done a long time ago on that pier, it's just a big money sink. I can guarantee before any work is to be started on it another survey or two will be required. It's absolute utter nonsense, but people will continue to waste their time with it It isn't a waste of time at all. It's an absolute crime that the pier wasn't addressed 25 years ago when we had plenty of money and the actual cost wasn't that bad. It's admirable that someone is taking the lead. What they really need is a sizeable donor which might then give them leverage to obtain support from MNH or lottery funding. Oh, and your maths needs looking at. You said the tram lot could get to 0.5% of their target which I assume you meant at £1000. That's 0.05%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Ah piss, I meant 0.05% (I got it right a few posts before that ) - But they're up to £1600 now, the money has just poured in! £1000 from John Oliver, which I assume is THE John Oliver. How is it not a waste? It's a pointless eyesore of a pier that's eventually going to wash away because there is no sizeable donor that wants to come forward. It might be sad it was allowed to shut 26 years ago, but it's a quarter of a century ago, why try and re-open it, so people can take a windy walk out to the end? Barely anyone even walks to the end of the stone piers either for the same reason it's freezing. There is almost zero demand for the pier - no ferry passengers to be dropped off there, no massive Ramsey population increase. Any money given to the pier will just be squandered, just like money given to MERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I've done successful crowdfunding before on justgiving (actually four times what the horse trams have got atm). The pier is a waste of time and effort. To do anything with it, you'd basically need a brand new pier, and no one is doing them any more. The survey and shit was done a long time ago on that pier, it's just a big money sink. I can guarantee before any work is to be started on it another survey or two will be required. It's absolute utter nonsense, but people will continue to waste their time with it Just to correct any misunderstanding regarding Queens Pier, the survey I mentioned is a recent exercise. It was a full engineering survey of the iron and steel structure, including ultrasound to determine exactly how much of the pier will have to be replaced. That will allow the scope of the restoration to be determined. It has also gone to the DoI. If DoI accept the survey report, the intention is to sign a lease and for work to begin in the Spring. In relation to the Horse Trams, I understand the fund raising is intended to bankroll a legal challenge to the Government proposal to truncate the line at the Gaiety Theatre. Knowing that I might well contribute once the Tynwald vote result is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I had an email reply from one my MHKs, Chris Robertshaw, saying that he would be moving an amendment aimed at preserving the line to the Sea Terminal even if in single-track form. Ms Bettison has not even acknowledged either of my 2 emails to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parchedpeas Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Ramsey Pier is a total waste of money. It's got more interest as a rotting old curio than it has as a vibrant interest for the future. The real crime was that £1 million was not given to Ramsey as a bribe to shut them up and let them accept the pier was going to rot into the sea. Spend the money (if there is any) on Ramsey itself. Everybody likes to 'save' something, everybody believes that 'something must be done' but these crowdfunding exercises just underline the fact that nobody is really that interested and a strong government with a backbone could really move some things on if they stopped looking over their shoulder and listening to Old Mrs Kneale from Number 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 £70 raised so far. Absolutely deluded.How can you say that? In the last 4 hours alone it's gone from £70 all the way up to £70. If they get to £250 I'll be amazed. £2,230 - be amazed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parchedpeas Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Also, to add, that the 'fiercely independent' Isle of Man is a pathetic embarrassment when it comes to anything that has been brushed past by a royal. I'm no Manx nationalist, but I found myself cringeing when driving around the Island with friends and having to field questions about our deferential road names / pub names / building names. Are we subjects or not? We're encouraged to believe that we don't kneel to the Saxe Coburg and that we're independent, and then in the next breath we're accepting MBEs and naming things the Queens Pier. it smacks of a lack of self confidence and an eagerness to climb up the greasy pole of the class system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 We're encouraged to believe that we don't kneel to the Saxe Coburg and that we're independent, . Really? I think you imagined that. Whenever I hear anything on the subject from the authorities it is pretty clear that we cleave to the Crown and the Lord of Mann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Being blunt..? We're independent when it comes to the "local" usual suspects and the tax avoidance community benefitting...for all other intents and purposes we bend the knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 what's all this "WE" cobblers . Some may argue that they are a valued attraction . Does this forum "need you" ....... perhaps not hope this helps , if only to serve that at least one resident on this island disagrees with you We as in society in the larger sense. Society does not need an outdated, inefficient and unsustainable "attraction". Maybe the fact that it isn't seen as a "valued attraction" by the majority will make you see this. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 what's all this "WE" cobblers . Some may argue that they are a valued attraction . Does this forum "need you" ....... perhaps not hope this helps , if only to serve that at least one resident on this island disagrees with you We as in society in the larger sense. Society does not need an outdated, inefficient and unsustainable "attraction". Maybe the fact that it isn't seen as a "valued attraction" by the majority will make you see this. Hope this helps. I don't know about that. Everybody seems to be up in arms if you propose ditching the horse trams. I would dispute that it isn't seen as a valued attraction by the majority. It is unique after all. That must count for something in a tourist offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 what's all this "WE" cobblers . Some may argue that they are a valued attraction . Does this forum "need you" ....... perhaps not hope this helps , if only to serve that at least one resident on this island disagrees with you We as in society in the larger sense. Society does not need an outdated, inefficient and unsustainable "attraction". Maybe the fact that it isn't seen as a "valued attraction" by the majority will make you see this. Hope this helps. I don't know about that. Everybody seems to be up in arms if you propose ditching the horse trams. I would dispute that it isn't seen as a valued attraction by the majority. It is unique after all. That must count for something in a tourist offering. "Everybody" doesn't seem to be up in arms at all. And "unique" doesn't always mean its a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I take it you don't approve then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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