MOUNTAIN ROAD

[Derek Flint]

13 hours ago, dilligaf said:

I think you caught a tad too much sun today. Whatever were your parents thinking of.

 

It’s a reasonable idea 

[Max Power]

14 hours ago, yootalkin2me said:

Why not male the Mountain Road a toll rpad where you have to pay say £30 per bike and £50 per car and also ban all commercial vehicles, private vans and motorhomes. This way only the people who really do want to be up on the Mountain Road will be up there and any rtc's can be self-funded via the toll.

 

16 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

It’s a reasonable idea 

I used to think that but what will it achieve? Certainly not fewer accidents, probably a lot more and serious ones at that. What about the insurance ramifications, will there be cover on what is effectively a closed road? 

Motorsport bodies have strict requirements to be observed before letting people out on a race track, track days have briefings and scrutineering. We would just be allowing people to turn up and ride like lunatics without any instruction or checks, they can still take out people at corners with all the legal and injury issues which would go with it! 

[yootalkin2me]

14 hours ago, dilligaf said:

I think you caught a tad too much sun today. Whatever were your parents thinking of.

 

And your solution is what exactly oh great all knowing deity?

[Derek Flint]

48 minutes ago, Max Power said:

 

I used to think that but what will it achieve? Certainly not fewer accidents, probably a lot more and serious ones at that. What about the insurance ramifications, will there be cover on what is effectively a closed road? 

Motorsport bodies have strict requirements to be observed before letting people out on a race track, track days have briefings and scrutineering. We would just be allowing people to turn up and ride like lunatics without any instruction or checks, they can still take out people at corners with all the legal and injury issues which would go with it! 

The manner in which we will close the Sloc on the 12th June is basically the model. The safety plan and risk assessment is modeled to Motorsport standards, then revised for non-competitive runs. You have to do it to that level to satisfy the DOI you are a competent operator, and specialist insurers for your public liability insurance which is set at £10m. 

You then give proper briefings, control set off points, and provide proper marshaling to warn of hazards and report back unacceptable driving from which the event director can exclude further participation.

the drivers may be able to carry some limited track day insurance, but the fact they aren’t just leaning on their Road Traffic policy tends to focus the mind somewhat.

I sometimes wonder if insurance companies actually came and saw what the Mountain Road was actually like for TT, whether they would exclude cover

 We need to have a rethink whatever we do.

 

 

[thesultanofsheight]

12 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

The manner in which we will close the Sloc on the 12th June is basically the model. The safety plan and risk assessment is modeled to Motorsport standards, then revised for non-competitive runs. You have to do it to that level to satisfy the DOI you are a competent operator, and specialist insurers for your public liability insurance which is set at £10m. 

You then give proper briefings, control set off points, and provide proper marshaling to warn of hazards and report back unacceptable driving from which the event director can exclude further participation.

the drivers may be able to carry some limited track day insurance, but the fact they aren’t just leaning on their Road Traffic policy tends to focus the mind somewhat.

I sometimes wonder if insurance companies actually came and saw what the Mountain Road was actually like for TT, whether they would exclude cover

 We need to have a rethink whatever we do.

 

 

I’m amazed there has never been an insurance issue with deaths on the Mountain one way system,. I’d have thought the minute you make it one way and put in all that traffic management there’s an argument to say it’s not a true public road and you need spacialist cover as it’s designed to allow you to speed and to basically make it a restricted circuit. 

[Bobbie Bobster]

29 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

I’m amazed there has never been an insurance issue with deaths on the Mountain one way system,. I’d have thought the minute you make it one way and put in all that traffic management there’s an argument to say it’s not a true public road and you need spacialist cover as it’s designed to allow you to speed and to basically make it a restricted circuit. 

I wionder would the cyclist ban add further support to such an argument?

[manxlad]

Just a thought.. I’m a TT supporter and an island biker so feel the need to make a comment

why is it that just because it is the TT course that it is assumed that it is a free for all over sections of the course especially the mountain road?

The reason I ask this question is if you look at a comparison road event  the NW 200 in Northern Ireland, it is a massive road race event which gets bigger every year, over  a 100,000 bike loving and riding spectators enjoying a great weeks road racing WITHOUT  the need to go bloody nuts on the triangle open road circuit every non race day, so if that is increasing in popularity without road deaths then maybe the Iom needs to reconsider the bigger picture of IOM TT PLC.

On a slightly different topic but amounting to the same problem, i have had two different sets of homestay bikers over the last few years who basically don’t give a F..k about the TT racing but go on the beer all night and boast about tear arsing round the course go pro. Ing  themselves whilst probably still over the alcohol limit. The last set asked to come again which I politely refused to which their answer was ..no worries we’ll go to glen lough camp site and get pissed up and party with all the other bikers,

so unfortunately the island and sensible visiting bikers  have to deal with this element of inconsiderate bordering on lunatic mentality that some bikers are bringing to the TT festival 

it would be sad if this element forced an end to the TT but if it continues in this format then I see no other alternate than the end of the TT

[thesultanofsheight]

23 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

I wionder would the cyclist ban add further support to such an argument?

I’m not really that bothered. Going against the obvious that cyclists and motorbikes doing 120 mph one way shouldnt mix is just perpetuating Darwinism. Although I suppose that if people want to kill themselves or expose themselves to such extreme personal risks of death or life changing injury we should probably just let them crack on with it. We should probably also let the elderly on mobility scooters up there and hikers and then perhaps allow visting bikers to rack up points like Deathrace 2000 with an award to the biker who claims the most scalps at the end of the week? The DfE might be stupid enough to go for that if there’s enough interest. 

[kevster]

You can’t compare the TT to the NW 200. 

On non race days those roads do have speed limits as do all UK public roads. 

[Stu Peters]

On 5/26/2018 at 1:04 PM, Derek Flint said:

Well they weren’t on the roads much. It’s a shame we didn’t do more analysis on how it worked out because there were doubtless lessons to be learned.

i can’t believe I just wrote that.

Dude, I can't believe you just wrote that either! Going forward we're going to play some electric music and boogie...

[hissingsid]

Where would that be Stu ?

[Bobbie Bobster]

42 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

I’m not really that bothered. Going against the obvious that cyclists and motorbikes doing 120 mph one way shouldnt mix is just perpetuating Darwinism. Although I suppose that if people want to kill themselves or expose themselves to such extreme personal risks of death or life changing injury we should probably just let them crack on with it. We should probably also let the elderly on mobility scooters up there and hikers and then perhaps allow visting bikers to rack up points like Deathrace 2000 with an award to the biker who claims the most scalps at the end of the week? The DfE might be stupid enough to go for that if there’s enough interest.

Yeah, whatever.

I was just thinking of how the cycling ban would support reasoning that it was no longer a public road.

[kevster]

1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

Yeah, whatever.

I was just thinking of how the cycling ban would support reasoning that it was no longer a public road.

Cycling isn’t allowed on motorways, but they’re still public roads

[Bobbie Bobster]

14 minutes ago, kevster said:

Cycling isn’t allowed on motorways, but they’re still public roads

As Clint would say, you just gotta ask yourself one question.

[Pale Rider]

5 hours ago, manxlad said:

 if you look at a comparison road event  the NW 200 in Northern Ireland, it is a massive road race event which gets bigger every year, over  a 100,000 bike loving and riding spectators enjoying a great weeks road racing WITHOUT  the need to go bloody nuts on the triangle open road circuit every non race day.

I'd mentioned before that I was at the NW200 last year, and noticed the lack of reckless and dangerous riding on public roads. Of course the NW200 has a more urban setting, and everyday traffic makes it harder to get about quickly.

The TT needs somehow to get the message across that the event is about the racing, and not causing danger on the public roads. It would seem a minority of the visitors can't distinguish the official races to open roads.

The more I think about it, maybe there should be a speed limit on the mountain during TT, and police speed traps. There will be those who will always speed on that road, but at least it gives the police a reason to pull people over.

If they witness someone doing 100mph at the moment, can they pull them over when there is no speed limit? Does the rider need to be doing something dangerous or reckless aswell as just riding really fast?  (Although some would argue that speed is dangerous or reckless). And that could be the person that the police haven't been able to stop legally, who then runs out of talent a few miles down the road.

A limit MIGHT have slowed them down. For those that don't, the police can then do for exceeding the limit.