woody2 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 just one thing- why didn't the police arrest the other people filming........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Because they weren’t filming the defendants entering court with a view to identifying them as muslim paedophiles for racist political ends when there was a delayed reporting order to protect the right to a fair trial. They were filming Yaxley-Lennon, who had told them he’d be there, deliberately breaking the law of contempt, flouting the court ruling of non reporting before conviction, and breaching the suspended sentence he was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Because they weren’t filming the defendants entering court with a view to identifying them as muslim paedophiles for racist political ends when there was a delayed reporting order to protect the right to a fair trial. They were filming Yaxley-Lennon, who had told them he’d be there, deliberately breaking the law of contempt, flouting the court ruling of non reporting before conviction, and breaching the suspended sentence he was on. Why can't people be photographed going into court then.? Most don't seem to mind being photographed after the event when they sell their story or put in the compo claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 People can be photographed going in to Court. You have to remember that because this was probably a multi defendant trial, possibly one of multiple connected trials, that there are normally orders to prevent identification and reporting during the trials, until the last verdict, to stop the risk of predjudicing the fair trial of some or all defendants. By broadcasting the video he was identifying them. I suppose it depends on what you think is more important. The right of Tommy to identify people as Muslim rapists and paedophiles before verdict, infringing their right to be treated as innocent until proved guilty, and thereby risking their right to due process, fair trial and giving them a chance of a technical acquittal on appeal, or the right to be presumed innocent, have a fair trial. The two rights, freedom of expression and right to fair trial are both very important. What happens when they collide and one threatens the other. It’s a balancing exercise. If they’re convicted, he can say what he wants, and they won’t be being photographed either basking in winning or seeking compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: People can be photographed going in to Court. You have to remember that because this was probably a multi defendant trial, possibly one of multiple connected trials, that there are normally orders to prevent identification and reporting during the trials, until the last verdict, to stop the risk of predjudicing the fair trial of some or all defendants. By broadcasting the video he was identifying them. I suppose it depends on what you think is more important. The right of Tommy to identify people as Muslim rapists and paedophiles before verdict, infringing their right to be treated as innocent until proved guilty, and thereby risking their right to due process, fair trial and giving them a chance of a technical acquittal on appeal, or the right to be presumed innocent, have a fair trial. The two rights, freedom of expression and right to fair trial are both very important. What happens when they collide and one threatens the other. It’s a balancing exercise. If they’re convicted, he can say what he wants, and they won’t be being photographed either basking in winning or seeking compensation. I suppose most of us just want all these imported perverts locked up or exported back to where they came from. Just a shame that all the red tape and "inclusion" bollocks lets most of them off the hook It's a sad world indeed that puts the rights of the scum before the rights of the victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, dilligaf said: I suppose most of us just want all these imported perverts locked up or exported back to where they came from. Just a shame that all the red tape and "inclusion" bollocks lets most of them off the hook It's a sad world indeed that puts the rights of the scum before the rights of the victim. Firstly they're not "imported" but most likely UK nationals. Hopefully none UK citizens, if there are any, will be deported on completion of sentence. Secondly "red tape and inclusion bollox" doesn't get them off the hook. It's just they get the same process and safeguards as you or I would. Incidentally the "leader" of the Rochdale lot got 22 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: Firstly they're not "imported" but most likely UK nationals. Hopefully none UK citizens, if there are any, will be deported on completion of sentence. Secondly "red tape and inclusion bollox" doesn't get them off the hook. It's just they get the same process and safeguards as you or I would. Incidentally the "leader" of the Rochdale lot got 22 years. We will have to agree to disagree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 9 hours ago, dilligaf said: We will have to agree to disagree on that. If you have any real evidence that those of a different race, colour or creed than the majority means getting preferential treatment in our justice system then please share. Of course one obvious difference is that these folks can "play the race card" and being scumbags that's exactly what they'll do. However that shouldn't make a difference to the outcome of a trial unless idiots like Robinson let it. But, of course, the police are ever mindful of this and have to act accordingly because they want those responsible for these dreadful crimes locked up as much as anyone else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homarus Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 10 hours ago, John Wright said: People can be photographed going in to Court. You have to remember that because this was probably a multi defendant trial, possibly one of multiple connected trials, that there are normally orders to prevent identification and reporting during the trials, until the last verdict, to stop the risk of predjudicing the fair trial of some or all defendants. By broadcasting the video he was identifying them. I suppose it depends on what you think is more important. The right of Tommy to identify people as Muslim rapists and paedophiles before verdict, infringing their right to be treated as innocent until proved guilty, and thereby risking their right to due process, fair trial and giving them a chance of a technical acquittal on appeal, or the right to be presumed innocent, have a fair trial. The two rights, freedom of expression and right to fair trial are both very important. What happens when they collide and one threatens the other. It’s a balancing exercise. If they’re convicted, he can say what he wants, and they won’t be being photographed either basking in winning or seeking compensation. They'd all been previously identified and widely reported upon in the press John back to you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homarus Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 20 hours ago, P.K. said: I expect todays march in Manchester will be pretty much exclusively EDL nutters because their leader has been banged up. This nicely prevents the march being binned off due to a "racism" slant. In sentencing the Rochdale scumbags the judge specifically pointed out that their actions very much had a racial element running through them. Personally I would have thrown the key away.... Actually Veterans against Terrorism "Scumbags"" who organised this one! I personally think a bit more highly of our veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 9 hours ago, dilligaf said: We will have to agree to disagree on that. That’s the start of the slippery slope. Reduce the guarantee of a fair trial and due process for one group, and who is next? Eventually it’ll be extended to a group you are a member of, then it’s too late! I paraphrase Niemoller, I’m much less eloquent. First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homarus Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: That’s the start of the slippery slope. Reduce the guarantee of a fair trial and due process for one group, and who is next? Eventually it’ll be extended to a group you are a member of, then it’s too late! I paraphrase Niemoller, I’m much less eloquent. First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Woman arrested..html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homarus Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 I found that clip pretty disturbing to be honest! Don't know if you can view it properly John as I'm not the best on the Internet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, homarus said: Actually Veterans against Terrorism "Scumbags"" who organised this one! I personally think a bit more highly of our veterans. No mention of any protest in the MEN. Although this is one of their top stories: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/new-coronation-street-set-tour-14736992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homarus Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, P.K. said: No mention of any protest in the MEN. Although this is one of their top stories: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/new-coronation-street-set-tour-14736992 Several thousand marched through Manchester yesterday not reported anywhere except online as far as I know with the March culminating in All Saints Park , the MSM not even trying to paint concerned Brits as Racists anymore ,as it no longer works . Click on the ""Racist"" Tommy Robinson at Facebook and educate yourself to what has been going on worldwide since he's been arrested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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