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Well, clearly the debate over whether the standard of a Civil Service recruits is being put at risk by the removal of the requirement for GCSEs has delivered the best instance of irony I can recall, ever.

When you consider the person asking the question has a degree, is a qualified teacher - but still an utter clown. Nice one Jason! 

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mhk-seeks-assurances-over-civil-service-applicants/

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2 hours ago, Manx Bean said:

Well, clearly the debate over whether the standard of a Civil Service recruits is being put at risk by the removal of the requirement for GCSEs has delivered the best instance of irony I can recall, ever.

When you consider the person asking the question has a degree, is a qualified teacher - but still an utter clown. Nice one Jason! 

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mhk-seeks-assurances-over-civil-service-applicants/

looking at our current elected members, I would suggest having a decent education isn't all it's cracked up to be

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In all seriousness,  the requirement for GCSE's should surely be based on the role?  They are not the be all and end all of qualifications and I know several people who did not do that well at GCSE's but flourished with more independent learning in further and higher education.  

 

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obviously some of the CS have really thick kids that can't get a GCSE and they need a way to get their offspring onto the gravy train.   once you're in you can get promoted to where qualifications would be very useful without actually having any.

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Do qualifications matter? They certainly didn't matter to recent retirees who have been shuffled up to the top over the last 40 years with barely a handful of O'Levels between them.

 No problem with that as such,  but their usefulness and worth was less than impressive.  

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5 hours ago, Manx Bean said:

Well, clearly the debate over whether the standard of a Civil Service recruits is being put at risk by the removal of the requirement for GCSEs has delivered the best instance of irony I can recall, ever.

When you consider the person asking the question has a degree, is a qualified teacher - but still an utter clown. Nice one Jason! 

 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mhk-seeks-assurances-over-civil-service-applicants/

They have to move down the value chain now the wages and pensions are being peeled back. 

 

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I left school at 14, worked in an accountants office until I got bored and joined the RAF at 19, I served 22 years and reached a high level as a senior nco, when I retired and returned to the Island there was a job advertised in the tourist board, the post required 4 ‘o’ levels, despite my service history and being Manx born I wasn’t considered as I only had 2 O levels ! The rank I attained required more than any O levels but the rules said 4 O levels. 

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1 minute ago, Supamanx said:

I left school at 14, worked in an accountants office until I got bored and joined the RAF at 19, I served 22 years and reached a high level as a senior nco, when I retired and returned to the Island there was a job advertised in the tourist board, the post required 4 ‘o’ levels, despite my service history and being Manx born I wasn’t considered as I only had 2 O levels ! The rank I attained required more than any O levels but the rules said 4 O levels. 

Plus the life experience you had would have brought a lot. 

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Equivalent experience is important...but exams are all about proving whether you can take in certain knowledge in a discipline and process it to make sensible related decisions/actions. Experience is verifiable over time and by references. 

But this barmy idea sounds like the latest government scheme to hide the unemployed unemployables. There are enough barely qualified/experienced numpties working in there already.

Bottom line. They should match all requirements/qualifications for government jobs to their private sector equivalents. 

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4 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Equivalent experience is important...but exams are all about proving whether you can take in certain knowledge in a discipline and process it to make sensible related decisions/actions. Experience is verifiable over time and by references. 

But this barmy idea sounds like the latest government scheme to hide the unemployed unemployables. There are enough barely qualified/experienced numpties working in there already.

Bottom line. They should match all requirements/qualifications for government jobs to their private sector equivalents. 

Yes but supamanx is a good case in point. 

Someone in their 40s with a strong CV and a load of life experience to offer shouldn't need 4 GCSEs. Someone who is 18 who doesn’t have 4 GCSEs is probably a fuckwit and has experience of absolutely nothing on top. 

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Surely it should depend on the following:

1. Does the position actually require qualifications, if so, what actual qualifications are required that would be of benefit?

2. Does experience serve as an alternative to educational/vocational qualifications?

3. Does the position offer the opportunity to gain the qualifications within a set period of time from the commencement of employment?

4. Are other qualifications acceptable as an alternative to qualifications required/desired?

5. Does the position have a probationary period where the employee is given the opportunity to prove themselves as being competent in lieu of any or all qualifications?

6. Does the potential employee have a proven good history of competence of doing the job in the same or similar environment/industry prior to potential employment in Government?

 

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10 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Yes but supamanx is a good case in point. 

Someone in their 40s with a strong CV and a load of life experience to offer shouldn't need 4 GCSEs. Someone who is 18 who doesn’t have 4 GCSEs is probably a fuckwit and has experience of absolutely nothing on top. 

There's plenty @ 40+ with nothing like a strong CV and fook all experience other than a life overseeing feck up after feck up in Govt. and being conveniently promoted up or sideways to hide it...

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