Ham_N_Eggs Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: We managed fine without a Governor or Legislative Council for centuries too. Honestly how far back are you going? Do you mean when we were the possession of Scottish and then English lords* who were at best indifferent to the Manx or further back when we were the possession of the Kings of Man? *technically they were actually Governors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Whatnonsence said: Not really. if we boast, and we do about our Independence , then we should devise are own systems of award to those on the Island that do public service. You can have your own honours like any council in the UK can issue medals and citations...But you are not independent as a Crown Dependency and at the end of the day can do nothing without ultimate supervision from London. You can have your own honours. But you cannot stop Island people from accepting UK honours. I seem to recall an IOM honour going to one of those TT biking chappies way back...It was all a bit contrived though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Does it matter? The island has been inhabited, successfully, for thousands of years, long before "England" or "Scotland" existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Honestly how far back are you going? Do you mean when we were the possession of Scottish and then English lords* who were at best indifferent to the Manx or further back when we were the possession of the Kings of Man? *technically they were actually Governors. First Governor about 1593... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: Does it matter? The island has been inhabited, successfully, for thousands of years, long before "England" or "Scotland" existed. It was the original Garden of Eden.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: You can have your own honours like any council in the UK can issue medals and citations...But you are not independent as a Crown Dependency and at the end of the day can do nothing without ultimate supervision from London. You can have your own honours. But you cannot stop Island people from accepting UK honours. I seem to recall an IOM honour going to one of those TT biking chappies way back...It was all a bit contrived though... https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p007kh6y Joey Dunlop sort of made a Manx knight click the link..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: First Governor about 1593... They may have had the title of "governor" but it was functionally a very different role and existed in an entirely different constitutional framework to that of the current Lieutenant Governor. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: They may have had the title of "governor" but it was functionally a very different role and existed in an entirely different constitutional framework to that of the current Lieutenant Governor. Apples and oranges. Indeed. Then as now the Lt Governor was a stand in for the Lord of Mann and then later for the Sovereign and head of state. Since the UK's avowed decolonisation post 1945 the Lt Gov on the IOM has had most former functions taken away but the ultimate reserve power is the Lt Governor. I recall CM Don Gelling declaring in Tynwald that on the IOM the Governor is supreme above all...Provided you run the place OK there is no need to trigger the Governor's constitutional reserve powers as was done in the Turks and Caicos Islands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Once cyclists and tennis players got gongs that was what did it for me. We never had a President until Charlie needed a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Once cyclists and tennis players got gongs that was what did it for me. We never had a President until Charlie needed a position. President of a banana republic more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Once cyclists and tennis players got gongs that was what did it for me. We never had a President until Charlie needed a position. And those robes must have been a new invention or idea and possibly from that London firm that does all the Judges' robes etc. Someone must have been paid a lot to design them..Is it just me but when I look at Mr Rodan's pale blue robes I think of Andy Pandy... https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=andy+pandy&id=F3C36A5140E5BB08FA0C5813EDA98AFD2C593BD2&FORM=IQFRBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: You can have your own honours like any council in the UK can issue medals and citations...But you are not independent as a Crown Dependency and at the end of the day can do nothing without ultimate supervision from London. You can have your own honours. But you cannot stop Island people from accepting UK honours. I seem to recall an IOM honour going to one of those TT biking chappies way back...It was all a bit contrived though... They like to give honours to establishment figures to keep Isle of Man in its proper place. 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p007kh6y Joey Dunlop sort of made a Manx knight click the link..... 'Knighted' by His Royal Highness David of Cretney, tat shop owner and former Douglas Councillor. I cringe every time I see that picture/video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Indeed. Then as now the Lt Governor was a stand in for the Lord of Mann and then later for the Sovereign and head of state. Since the UK's avowed decolonisation post 1945 the Lt Gov on the IOM has had most former functions taken away but the ultimate reserve power is the Lt Governor. I recall CM Don Gelling declaring in Tynwald that on the IOM the Governor is supreme above all...Provided you run the place OK there is no need to trigger the Governor's constitutional reserve powers as was done in the Turks and Caicos Islands.. I would agree with that assessment. The Isle of Man is theoretically under absolutist Crown rule. While it's true that technically we have some "freedom" or "independence", it's all a facade: if we for one moment did anything the Crown did not want us to do, we would immediately be stopped and the parties responsible removed from "power". So are we really free or independent? Only as long as we do what the Crown wants. So we are effectively not free or independent but a nation of slaves. If the Isle of Man is ever to be a free and sovereign nation, somebody "in charge" will one day have to deliberately do something that the Crown does not want and have a show down with them. It would take constitutional reform over in the UK for this to ever change and that's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: They did a lot more than some of the "honoured" celebrities like David Beckham. To be fair to David Beckham he did lose England two world cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Definition of a Scottish gentleman : someone who can play the bagpipes, but who doesn't. Instructions for producing DIY bagpipes: 1. Grab a cat, any cat 2. Grab one of it's hind legs 3. Still holding onto said animal, fling it over your shoulder 4. Locate its pee hole 5. Clamp mouth around the orifice and blow with all your might 6. Resulting sound is that not dissimilar to a set of highland bagpipes. *Safety note: wear work gloves and eye protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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