Firm closing

[Kopek]

JW,  Yes but without the use by RB that ongoing use of Manx grain puts farmers and the local supply in danger. It may not be a major part of our economy but in the context of the closure of RB, it is a part of our overall it is a part of our  overall attempt to be self sufficient, lest their be an occasion that we need this?

[Numbnuts]

Just now, Manx17 said:

Depends on your taste buds. But your right supermarkets bread is cheaper for now. But it won’t matter how cheap it is, if the boat don’t sail.

The island should be more self efficient , producing fresh vegetables  dairy meat and bread and as we are surrounded by water fresh fish. When a supermarket wanted to  extend for household items it was refused. So it should be the same for some foods.

If you were a farmer why would you go into the fields , bend your back , and grow veggies . When Government will give you bucketfuls for doing FA . There lies the problem.  

[jackwhite]

3 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

Depends on your taste buds. But your right supermarkets bread is cheaper for now. But it won’t matter how cheap it is, if the boat don’t sail.

The island should be more self efficient , producing fresh vegetables  dairy meat and bread and as we are surrounded by water fresh fish. When a supermarket wanted to  extend for household items it was refused. So it should be the same for some foods.

How are we equating RB closing to the boat not sailing? If they're self sufficient then they don't need the boat and don't have any impact on it.

All of these things should be achievable but doesn't mean they should come at the cost of them tasting decent. There are companies making bread here that's better than what RB produce.

I'm all for doing something on the Isle of Man if we do it right. The sad truth is, look around, most businesses don't. They do what is considered enough by IOM standards.

What do we make here that's actually any better than what's available elsewhere that's any better or even just as good, also taking value into the equation. Beer? No the local stuff is poor. Spirits? Nope, again, local stuff is poor. Meat? Try again (Ballakelly stuff ok tbf but feel it does come at a premium). Vegetables. Again no.

Appreciate what you're saying but honestly very few local businesses I'm comfortable spending my money with in truth.

[Numbnuts]

4 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

There has always been a farming  family member in government until now, unless I’m wrong, and that is where problem lies and it needs to change.

There is now still. The guy up North . Tim Johnstone 

Edited April 3, 2022 by Numbnuts

[John Wright]

12 minutes ago, Kopek said:

JW,  Yes but without the use by RB that ongoing use of Manx grain puts farmers and the local supply in danger. It may not be a major part of our economy but in the context of the closure of RB, it is a part of our overall it is a part of our  overall attempt to be self sufficient, lest their be an occasion that we need this?

Initially the current increased price will cover export costs. The land used for wheat can be used for other arable crops. In the context of the UK single market we can never be self sufficient. Better to grow something the island is suitable for and has a market for.

[finlo]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

Initially the current increased price will cover export costs. The land used for wheat can be used for other arable crops. In the context of the UK single market we can never be self sufficient. Better to grow something the island is suitable for and has a market for.

Crabs?

[Numbnuts]

36 minutes ago, finlo said:

Crabs?

Fair isnt coming now so supply is reduced drastically though demand might still be there .😉:-)

Edited April 3, 2022 by Numbnuts

[The Bastard]

44 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

I can’t see fresh food travelling from Spain or Africa being fresher or better quality to what could be grown here. It makes better sense to produce here for growth of the economy. Your right there is a sense of laziness and sloppiness in the Isle of Man and a lot has a blind eye approach.

all you have to do is spend a little time in some foreign countries to see the difference. Most things that take two weeks to a month here are done in a day. Almost every company employee when working a shift gets a free meal provided and if it is not cooked on the premises they are given meal tickets for a meal in a food outlet. They may work for less but costs are less and have decent way of life.

That's quite an extreme viewpoint - IMHO claiming that a month's work is done in a day elsewhere is just nuts - I've worked in Europe and it doesn't tie in with reality. Attributing economic factors in the market to laziness is a pretty naive and offensive statement too. Going back to basic Economics, the reason why Manx agriculture isn't competing out there on an equal footing in the world markets is firstly the geology, poor weather and short growing season of the island's northern latitude, and secondly that a small island of micro-producers can't compete with economies of scale elsewhere. Someone farming a few tens of cold, windy acres in an isolated area with high transport costs can't possibly compete with the buying and selling power coupled to economies of scale for a huge corporate farming enterprise in the UK or Europe, and their cost base will inevitably be higher to deliver the same product. Wherever you are, there is generally some goodwill for small-scale local products, but loyalty is hard-tested when price differentials between local and imported products become large. In that scenario, either protectionism of local producers is required, local economies need to compete in different specialist markets, or those local producers need to cooperate on a larger scale to drive costs down. It's not simply down to dismissing people as untermensch. 

[slinkydevil]

15 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

If IOM Government take over the bakery I'm not going in asking for 914.4mm of pasty.

[Kopek]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Initially the current increased price will cover export costs. The land used for wheat can be used for other arable crops. In the context of the UK single market we can never be self sufficient. Better to grow something the island is suitable for and has a market for.

...but we've already incurred the cost of planting! To now increase our price would be immoral and taking advantage of a World wide situation??? Not that we export any significant amount of Manx flour, a few hundred kilos to Harrods???

It is too late to change crops for this year but what would it be> Spuds n Cale? OK broccoli n leeks but then we have to persuade Tesco to take them and there is the problem?

Robinsons could play their part and no doubt would if the profit was there as well as supporting local.

This transition point of changing from wheat to othrer crops has just been missed, so another year down the road?

Maybe, as a Govt entity, Laxey should accept all cereals this year, export them at a loss  and by then, we should have a better idea of what is required???

[Stu Peters]

29 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

If IOM Government take over the bakery I'm not going in asking for 914.4mm of pasty.

Don't worry, it'll have a pink stripe of blancmange down the middle, take a year to bake and cost £100.

[Kopek]

30 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

 

31 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

If IOM Government take over the bakery I'm not going in asking for 914.4mm of pasty.

your loss then ludiite, those few extra grams are the best ever .............

[Non-Believer]

6 hours ago, Manx17 said:

There has always been a farming  family member in government until now, unless I’m wrong, and that is where problem lies and it needs to change.

Just the one....?!

[WTF]

11 hours ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Does anywhere else do a decent custard bomper? 

i had to google what that was , i've spent years just pointing at things through the glass except for chelsea buns and custard slices.

[2112]

CM Cannan has been on the NPM this morning, saying no nationalisation of Ramsey Bakery, and Governments shouldn’t run bakery’s. 

Obviously with that comment, he isn’t going to endear him or win anyone over. He may have a point. So what’s the alternatives left - subventions/subsidising, or appealing to the directors?