Report on Youth Justice

[Moghrey Mie]

https://tynwald.im/spfile?src=cots12&file=/business/opqp/sittings/20212026/2022-PP-0137i.pdf

 

[Whiskey]

Everyone always talks about the importance of early intervention but nobody ever does it. Some of these kids would not get caught up if they were helped socially and with support for families when they were very young. Early intervention needs to start before they even reach school, it can be too late when they are teens. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Whiskey

[Zarley]

45 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

Everyone always talks about the importance of early intervention but nobody ever does it. Some of these kids would not get caught up if they were helped socially and with support for families when they were very young. Early intervention needs to start before they even reach school, it can be too late when they are terms. 

I've long thought that early childhood development and parenting skills should be a mandatory class in high school. Perhaps not in-depth, but certainly the basics.

Kids who were "dragged up" by people who were dragged up themselves usually go on to also do a lousy job of parenting. It's a never-ending cycle that needs to be broken. 

[Passing Time]

1 hour ago, Whiskey said:

Everyone always talks about the importance of early intervention but nobody ever does it. Some of these kids would not get caught up if they were helped socially and with support for families when they were very young. Early intervention needs to start before they even reach school, it can be too late when they are teens. 

Not always the case though is it. Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, Richard Storlett and Paul Bernardo all had loving supportive families...

[Moghrey Mie]

8 hours ago, Whiskey said:

Everyone always talks about the importance of early intervention but nobody ever does it. Some of these kids would not get caught up if they were helped socially and with support for families when they were very young. Early intervention needs to start before they even reach school, it can be too late when they are teens. 

This government does not seem to favour nursery provision or real community hubs that cater for everybody.

There must be a very small number of young people who commit crimes. I expect their teachers could tell you which ones need help getting themselves sorted.

[Omobono]

if government are serious about getting nurses ,teachers ,key workers back into  the work  place after maternity  leave , then they should be investing in  reasonably priced nursery  or baby  minding facilities  somewhere near Nobles hospital  and offering health workers  day work packages instead of insisting on them working  unsocial hours or shifts , 

[Gladys]

11 minutes ago, Omobono said:

if government are serious about getting nurses ,teachers ,key workers back into  the work  place after maternity  leave , then they should be investing in  reasonably priced nursery  or baby  minding facilities  somewhere near Nobles hospital  and offering health workers  day work packages instead of insisting on them working  unsocial hours or shifts , 

We can thank Peter Karran for the loss of free or state nursery provision, can we not? 

Apart from housing, this has got to be one of the biggest bars to encouraging people to come here and/or stay here. 

[Whiskey]

18 hours ago, Passing Time said:

Not always the case though is it. Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, Richard Storlett and Paul Bernardo all had loving supportive families...

Not that this is remotely relevant to this thread, but Dahmer’s mother had mental health problems and attempted suicide, Bundy was possibly fathered by his grandfather and was raised by his grandparents in that vital birth to three stage, and Paul Bernardo lived in a sexually abusive home. Yep, all loving and supportive. 

[Thorulf]

20 hours ago, Zarley said:

I've long thought that early childhood development and parenting skills should be a mandatory class in high school. Perhaps not in-depth, but certainly the basics.

Kids who were "dragged up" by people who were dragged up themselves usually go on to also do a lousy job of parenting. It's a never-ending cycle that needs to be broken. 

Schools teaching life skills haha. In school we are taught skills to be good worker bee's and get jobs.

Why not teach about taxes,banking,basic healthcare,family economics...ect 

[Whiskey]

The seeds are sown long before school though. Proper health and social services support from birth would work wonders for some of these children. It’s a relatively small group of youths causing the issues. Target their communities more and give them a sense of purpose, to help break the cycle. 

[Zarley]

2 hours ago, Thorulf said:

Schools teaching life skills haha. In school we are taught skills to be good worker bee's and get jobs.

Ok, if you want to look at it from the "worker bee" perspective, then you could say...

Part of being good worker bees is producing more worker bees who contribute to the hive in positive ways, rather than detracting from the hive through crime and anti-social behaviour. 

3 hours ago, Thorulf said:

Why not teach about taxes,banking,basic healthcare,family economics...ect 

We should be teaching all of the above. Civics (how government is supposed to work) as well. 

[Moghrey Mie]

3 hours ago, Thorulf said:

Schools teaching life skills haha. In school we are taught skills to be good worker bee's and get jobs.

Why not teach about taxes,banking,basic healthcare,family economics...ect 

 

6 minutes ago, Zarley said:

Ok, if you want to look at it from the "worker bee" perspective, then you could say...

Part of being good worker bees is producing more worker bees who contribute to the hive in positive ways, rather than detracting from the hive through crime and anti-social behaviour. 

We should be teaching all of the above. Civics (how government is supposed to work) as well. 

I'm not convinced that teachers are the right people to be doing this. They would want to set exams where we really need understanding.

They need to work much more with other agencies such as St John Ambulance and the financial sector. Also there must be lots of online short courses that students can work through on their own.

 

[Harry Lamb]

8 hours ago, Thorulf said:

Schools teaching life skills haha. In school we are taught skills to be good worker bee's and get jobs.

Why not teach about taxes,banking,basic healthcare,family economics...ect 

And apostrophes and abbreviations?

[Harry Lamb]

5 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said:

 

I'm not convinced that teachers are the right people to be doing this. They would want to set exams where we really need understanding.

They need to work much more with other agencies such as St John Ambulance and the financial sector. Also there must be lots of online short courses that students can work through on their own.

 

Teachers rarely want to set exams - governments like them, some jobs require them, and universities love them because they can make money encouraging people to take more and more of them.

[Roxanne]

11 hours ago, Thorulf said:

Why not teach about taxes,banking,basic healthcare,family economics.

Because those subjects are 'value added' and they don't count toward exam results and budgets.