Deejay Denzel Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 The TT is copyrighted and for anyone to reproduce footage of the TT without written permision is breaking the law.Greenlight are a well respected profesional Manx company that specialise in motorsports events. The same company are employed by most of the major GP teams to produce their promotional films to the highest of standards. Also in the evnt of an accident they would never publish any footage unless the families of the injured sportsperson gave permission, cowboy film companies would do it for the wrong reasons resulting in upsets to those involved. Greenlight have broadcasting rights not filming rights. It's ok for anyone to film the TT, what they do with the footage is another thing. The internet is a recognised form of broadcast. Greenlight sell the footage to Men & Motors as exclusive, they have an agreement with the tt people. If Men & Motors see this website as being a breach of their program's exclusivity and something that will effect it's figures then they will push for further action. About F1, Most races are on circuits and therefore you would have to enter the land to film, in which I'm sure there will be some condition of entry. The TT is on public roads and people have the right to film within the boundaries of the law, whatever they want in a public place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Well i can't get men and motors so does that mean i have to wait for the dvd to come out just to see clips of the TT? I'll enjoy watching bikegen while i can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deejay Denzel Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 From energyfm.net news pages Greenlight Television have defended their position with regard the television broadcast rights of the TT races. The firm has been in talks with a website operator over amateur video material published on an Internet website. Posting video clips on the Internet breaches broadcasting rights and anyone doing so could face a serious threat of litigation, even if it is a private non commercial site. Richard Nicholls from Greenlight TV told Energy FM News that posting such video clips could in fact place Greenlight in breach of contracts it has with the broadcasters it feeds. He said that anyone can film the TT to take home for personal viewing, but broadcasting does involve using the Internet to distribute the pictures. In that event, Greenlight would have to then pursue the offending website owner for damages. Mr Nicholls said that legal action had not commenced but the owner of the website had been advised of the position and recommendations made. Greenlight Television's coverage of the TT can be seen on the Men & Motors Channel nightly throughout TT and quite often through the year. They also provide news edits of coverage which can been seen on regional and national terrestrial TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Maybe they were fading your image out probably - it was my ass in shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 IANAL but I'd be very interested in the legal argument - for an event run on private ground I understand that antendees are not allowed to film for commercial purposes, I also can understand that the symbol TT is registered and its usage controlled - however as the event is held on public roads from which I understand photography cannot be stopped except under the various security acts then I cannot see how they can legally close the amateur site (otherwise the gov could copyright images of the wedding cake building and thus prevent anyone photographing on prospect hill). Have we a lawyer on the board ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Maybe they were fading your image out probably - it was my ass in shot. Wow! They use CinemaScope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 IANAL but I'd be very interested in the legal argument - for an event run on private ground I understand that antendees are not allowed to film for commercial purposes, I also can understand that the symbol TT is registered and its usage controlled - however as the event is held on public roads from which I understand photography cannot be stopped except under the various security acts then I cannot see how they can legally close the amateur site (otherwise the gov could copyright images of the wedding cake building and thus prevent anyone photographing on prospect hill).Have we a lawyer on the board ? I interviewed Richard Nicholls for Midday Mandate, and his arguments stacked up - for me at least. Have a listen via the Audio Vault (not sure if it's uploaded yet). As I understand the legal side of this, it's not the taking of 'home movies' per se - he's quite happy for people to shoot stuff for their own use - it's the broadcasting of the footage on the internet that could cause them problems with THEIR clients, who sign up for exclusive rights themselves. If GL aren't seen to be protecting those rights, the whole applecart could be upset. Your wedding cake analogy - sure, if IOMG had assigned exclusive rights to someone, they COULD stop people shooting or filming it. I know in London for example you have to have all sorts of permits to film on the streets and in front of landmarks there - otherwise the cops will stop you and move you on. Not saying it's right, proper or fair - but that's the way it is. Bloody lawyers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 you can't film because you are obstructing the Queen's highway - re their 'exclusive' rights then they may not actually have any exclusive right as the event is on a public highway - it may come down to my lawyer is bigger than your lawyer yah boo - but I'd still like to hear a legal opinion. - my understanding is that the gov has prohibited use of the road but that they still remain public highways - if the guy had a webcam out of his own window overlooking the cousrse then this would appear to avoid any problem. The film company may claim exclusive right but it may be equivalent to the right to mine cheese on the moon - ie worthless except for film shot within non-public areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 So, the opinion so far is that the Isle of Man Government owns the rights to the TT. And presumably charge handsomely for it. For TT I take 2 weeks off work, bending over backwards and often being shat upon and treated like muck, just for the love and the spirit of the TT. For free. There are people Fat Catting on my and many others not inconsiderable efforts. "So it's time to stop the whingeing and just stop". Said Doric as he spatteth out the dummy. Stu Peters said: I interviewed Richard Nicholls for Midday Mandate, and his arguments stacked up - for me at least. An mp3 of the interview is here: 20060602_Greenlight_TV___Midday_Mandate.mp3 I thought Richard Nicholls sounded arrogant, patronising and quite worried. Why I really don't know. He also supplied ridiculous argument. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 There is a forum discussion of the topic on iomtt.com message board. But basically, an amateur website www.Bikegen.com has been taking video footage of the TT practices and placing it on their website. Greenlight have apparently threatened them with legal action and told them to remove the footage, because Greenlight have the rights to video of the TT. I have seen some of the footage and although obviously amateur, it was very popular, especially with people who could not come to the TT. So basically, Greenlight could say if you live on the course you can't have a webcam. Greenlight have a lot of clout and plenty of money to employ the legal boys. It looks like Bikegen have backed off. Pity really. I think you might find they paid a big sum for the rights - if your laying out the cash you have to be prepared to protect any infringements otherwise it just makes you look stupid for writing the cheque in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 what infringements -? - I havn't seen any good argument that they own the exclusive right to broadcast film shot on public roads - that reply is merely accepting their argument that they have such a right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 what infringements -? - I havn't seen any good argument that they own the exclusive right to broadcast film shot on public roads - that reply is merely accepting their argument that they have such a right. It might be down to bad wording. If you've paid to purchase the media rights if the agreement is bad that is exactly what you've paid for and therefore the broadcast of anything TT centric could get dragged in. Cue the lawyers it seems to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Ten Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Very intereting topic this and something that I believe David Cretney MHK certainly owes the Isle of Man public an official answer to this situation regarding broadcasting TT video footage on a private website! On a slightly different subject, I would also like David Cretney MHK to tell us how much a certain company pay the IOM Government for advertising their company via large banners on the TT Grandstand and the bridge at the Bungalow on the mountain on a permanent basis and anually on many corners of the TT Course? Lets see if we can get an official response? Last Ten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Did you write to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Ten Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Did you write to him? No as I have just read about it on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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