Doric Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 There is a forum discussion of the topic on iomtt.com message board. But basically, an amateur website www.Bikegen.com has been taking video footage of the TT practices and placing it on their website. Greenlight have apparently threatened them with legal action and told them to remove the footage, because Greenlight have the rights to video of the TT. I have seen some of the footage and although obviously amateur, it was very popular, especially with people who could not come to the TT. So basically, Greenlight could say if you live on the course you can't have a webcam. Greenlight have a lot of clout and plenty of money to employ the legal boys. It looks like Bikegen have backed off. Pity really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilDDog Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Hmm that would be like me taking video from a friends garden on the course and pointing this forum in the direction of the site. How could they stop you showing others your private video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Their best course of action would be to upload it to YouTube or GoogleVideo and link it. Let's see Greenlight flex their legal muscles with those two. It does seem awfully petty on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 The growth of the internet means there'll be many more cases like this until someone obtains a High Court ruling methinks. Most 'media' contracts and rights issues never originally envisaged the web as a way of distributing footage. Sounds mad, but looking at it from both angles, Greenlight IS the official contractor for TT coverage and has built that position over many years of hard work and considerable investment. I dunno what they pay for the privilege, but they have the contract and are entitled to protect it. In my limited experience, rights owners don't usually have a problem with people taking 'home movies' of an event for personal use, it's when they seek to exploit that footage and possibly affect sales of the 'official' product - either to broadcasters or DVD markets - that they get protective. Bernie Ecclestone is evidently particularly keen to protect F1, and most big sports events are pretty watertight these days. You can see the point. If someone set up a webcam (say) on a tower block overlooking centre court at Wimbledon, it could have a major impact on BBC viewing figures. I guess the legal test would be whether that webcam was there 365 days a year for a genuine reason, or had been set up specifically to 'cover' an event to the possible detriment of the official contractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 So am I gonna get sued if I take some clips on my mobile and put them online, or is that too petty ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Screw 'em! Ive had the pleasure of GreenLight filming on the Mountain - with bikes doing over 100mph, wrong side of the road, one wheel ........ on open roads. Do they think they own the TT and the island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 BikeGen are continuing the videos after seeking legal advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Screw 'em! Ive had the pleasure of GreenLight filming on the Mountain - with bikes doing over 100mph, wrong side of the road, one wheel ........ on open roads. Do they think they own the TT and the island? That'll be The Worlds Fastest Bikes DVD they did, when the bikes were clocking 160+ on the mountain on open roads. As much as I enjoyed the DVD, why they didn't have to close the roads like Clarkson does is beyond me. Or maybe they chose not to pay the fee and take their chances? Either way pretty wreckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 Stu, good reply to balance the current anti-Greenlight frenzy going on in some places. Maybe you have gone through this argument with the (Manx)RadioTT and Energy FM thing. So . . . who owns the TT? Exactly who thinks they got the right to sell it and where does the money go? I see all those marshalls and many dedicated unpaid volunteers who essentially help to keep the TT going. Do they get paid by Greenlight etc. proceeds? These days it would only take a handful of marshalls to say "where's our cut then" to end the TT. People have enjoyed all aspects of the freedom of the Isle of Man TT. The likes of this attitude from Greenlight TV and their legal team could kill the TT. It certainly seems to be causing a lot of distaste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Either way pretty wreckless. Isn't that a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 That'll be The Worlds Fastest Bikes DVD they did, when the bikes were clocking 160+ on the mountain on open roads. As much as I enjoyed the DVD, why they didn't have to close the roads like Clarkson does is beyond me. Or maybe they chose not to pay the fee and take their chances? Either way pretty wreckless. Yep! Thats the one - That was me at Windy Corner, in the kit car - seeking the verge as the twat came past into the path of an on coming car .... they faded the shot as lights flashed and fists waved. I 'had a word' at the Bungalow when I got there .. they edited that bit too. No doubt they cut out the bit when the boys and girls in blue turned up in force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskeat Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 The TT is copyrighted and for anyone to reproduce footage of the TT without written permision is breaking the law. Greenlight are a well respected profesional Manx company that specialise in motorsports events. The same company are employed by most of the major GP teams to produce their promotional films to the highest of standards. Also in the evnt of an accident they would never publish any footage unless the families of the injured sportsperson gave permission, cowboy film companies would do it for the wrong reasons resulting in upsets to those involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Greenlight are a well respected profesional Manx company You've not seen the DVD mentioned above then. While we are at it - Why could they not get the white balance right on the cameras on the bit shown on M and M last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskeat Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Maybe they were fading your image out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germann Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Me be confused :| Are Greenlight connected to Duke? Do they share the rights to the TT, or does Greenlight gather material for Duke to market? Btw, there are some nice Duke video-podasts clips freely & legally available over on iTunes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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