Tt/mgp Fatalities

[Monkey boy]

I'm pretty sure the Karnage in Iraq, Afghanistan & now Libiya as well as the Falklands, Bosnia etc. etc. etc were state sponsored & all certainly had many more deaths than the TT has ever had. The IOM is traditionally a peaceful nation.

Some of the Bullshit MDO & China man have come out with just goes to underline my point about most negative comment on the TT - absolute bollocks which bears no resemblance to the truth whatsoever.

[jimbms]

Well one thing missed out is every one of those who have died in the TT ate carrots. Carrots will kill you! Every carrot you eat brings you closer to death. It is amazing that the modern thinking man has failed to grasp the significance of the term, "in a carrot." Although leading horticulturists have long known that a carrot possesses indecent pep, the carrot industry continues to expand. Carrots are associated with all of the major tragedies of the body. Eating them breed's wars and Communism. They can also be related to most airline tragedies. Carrots cause auto accidents. There exists a positive relationship between crime waves and consumption of this vegetable of the carrot family.

 

For Example:

2. Nearly all sick people have eaten carrots. The effects are obviously cumulative.
3. 99.9% of all people who die from cancer have eaten carrots.
4. 100% of all soldiers have eaten carrots.
5. 96.8% of all TT riders have eaten Carrots.
6. 99.7% of the people involved in fatal TT accidents ate carrots within fourteen days preceding the accident.
7. 93.1% of juvenile delinquents come from homes where carrots are served frequently.

Evidence points to the long term effects of carrot eating:

 

Of the people born in 1839 who later dined on carrots, there has been 100% mortality.

 

All carrot eaters born between 1920 and 1940 have wrinkled skin, have lost most of their teeth, have brittle bones and failing eyesight - if the eating of carrots have not already caused their death.

 

Even more convincing is the report of a noted team of medical specialists. Mice force-fed with 20 pounds of carrots per day for thirty days developed bulging abdomens. Their appetites for wholesome food were destroyed.

 

The only way to avoid the deleterious effects of carrot eating is to change our eating habits. Eat orchid petal soup. Practically no one has had a problems from eating orchid petal soup.So if we make all riders eat orchid petal soup then we will have safe racing.

 

[MilitantDogOwner]

I'm pretty sure the Karnage in Iraq, Afghanistan & now Libiya as well as the Falklands, Bosnia etc. etc. etc were state sponsored & all certainly had many more deaths than the TT has ever had. The IOM is traditionally a peaceful nation.

Some of the Bullshit MDO & China man have come out with just goes to underline my point about most negative comment on the TT - absolute bollocks which bears no resemblance to the truth whatsoever.

 

Yes and your comment just goes to underline the kind of idiot response that helps the anti-tt arguement even further.

 

Yes the various wars are state sponsored.

 

They are however not sponsored as tourist sporting events staged for the entertainment of the public.

[Max Power]

As someone who was very nearly a TT statistic and still suffering the effects of horrific injuries, I can say that I would do it all again if I could. I certainly wouldn't want anyone trying to tell me that I now live in a world where somebody believes that it is unacceptable for me to participate in something that they have no interest or involvement in!

 

I knew a good many riders who have lost their lives, and some may say that it is an old cliche saying that they knew the risks, I can assure you that they did! One good friend of mine had even had three attempts on Everest and had raced on the mountain circuit for thirty years before losing his life during the TT. He was very much aware of the risks.

 

The loss of any life is tragic and I know it may be hard to believe, the TT and MGP actually enrich the lives of competitors. This is why they are willing to accept the risks involved. I am sure that this is difficult to understand by those who have never experienced racing over the mountain circuit or had the desire to do so, but has anyone the right to prevent others from doing so?

 

I don't believe that the government should be taken to task for sanctioning the races, they are part of our heritage, like it or not. I believe that there is still a majority of locals who support the TT and that the non supporters are right to object if they believe that they are morally right. I just don't believe that they are.

 

I can understand the issues of a little disruption during the TT, but if you lived near any major event venue you would have to endure this.

[ThankU]

EG - just one question - if the IOM government didn't support the TT the cost for entry would be higher - and so fewer people would enter. So the number of deaths is important in considering public policy concerning the TT as the IOM Government maintains an acceptable level of death.

 

If they threw more money at competitors no doubt more would come and more would die. Their choice of course, but our Taxes. As a tax payer I have a right to be concerned about the government supporting an event of such size that deaths are guaranteed year in year out.

 

To take things to a ridiculous extreme: if only 4 people were allowed to race each year - you of course couldn't guarantee they'd be no deaths, but over a 20 year period statistically it is highly likely the absolute number of deaths would be alot lower.

 

 

A weekends racing at Cadwell Parks cost £1500 last weekend.

 

How many local bike riders have been killed by cars on the Island outside the TT or MGP

[wrighty]

I don't think it's possible to rationally defend the TT - if it didn't exist, and was proposed by the government of the day as a way to bring visitors and income to the island it'd be laughed out of Tynwald.

 

However, it does exist, and personally I don't mind it. I'd rather watch paint dry than bikes go past very fast, but each to their own, and I do like the atmosphere on the island, especially in race week. The competitors, and also the marshals and spectators, are all well aware of the risks. The one thing that does sadden me each year (with seemingly depressing regularity) is when we hear that the dead rider has left his young children fatherless. I can appreciate that some (usually young) men have a need for speed, and the thrill of the event captivates them, but wouldn't family responsibilities trump that?

[Mutley]

FACT! 100% of all TT competitors will die at some point.

[Overdose]

I guess what i am trying to say is that it's not just this government that state sponsor dangerous sport

 

Correct - other wasteful autocratic governments with sketchy human rights records like AbuDhabi, Bahrain, China, and Malaysia do it too.

 

 

And yet you forget to mention ze Germans too.... You always seem to convieniently forget to mention it, no idea why

[jonnyrotten]

Amazing that there are still posters trying to prove that because people get killed in other activities the TT must be a Good Thing.

 

Mountain Climbing does NOT equate to motorcycle racing.

 

War in Afghanistan (or anywhere else) is NOT the same as competing in motorcycle road races.

 

ALL circuit racing, 2 wheels and 4, has improved its safety features over the years with the express intention of making motorsport safer. This does not show the TT attitude "they know the risks" in a good light.

 

Your government spends your money on staging, organising and promoting a series of road races in which the probability of death is unacceptably high by any modern standards while at the same time witholding spending on the safety measures (airfence, corner layout, etc) which might change that (though it seems likely that you just move the accident along to the next corner).

 

The problem is that the government is poacher and gamekeeper, and all outsiders EVER see of the Isle of man is tax havens nurtured by a greedy administration and motorcycle carnage nurtured by the same body in the name of profit, with various spokesmen gloating over the number of visitors who have come here to witness the kind of gladiatorial event which went out of favour with Caligula everywhere else in the civilised world.

 

Anachronism.

 

Look it up, if you need to, or accept this from wiki: something as existing or occurring at other than its proper time in history.

[jonnyrotten]

People who are commenting have to realise that all forms motorsport both 2 wheeled and 4 are dangerous, the rush is part of the reason people do it, yes they do not expect to die when they start a race but to a man or woman they know the risks and still willingly participate.

 

I do not believe that any of them are forced against their will to race, they do it because they want to.

 

They do it because your government makes it possible, by organising the event and providing the infrastructure and then ENCOURAGING them to come here and take their chances.

[Cambon]

As someone who was very nearly a TT statistic and still suffering the effects of horrific injuries, I can say that I would do it all again if I could. I certainly wouldn't want anyone trying to tell me that I now live in a world where somebody believes that it is unacceptable for me to participate in something that they have no interest or involvement in!

 

I knew a good many riders who have lost their lives, and some may say that it is an old cliche saying that they knew the risks, I can assure you that they did! One good friend of mine had even had three attempts on Everest and had raced on the mountain circuit for thirty years before losing his life during the TT. He was very much aware of the risks.

 

The loss of any life is tragic and I know it may be hard to believe, the TT and MGP actually enrich the lives of competitors. This is why they are willing to accept the risks involved. I am sure that this is difficult to understand by those who have never experienced racing over the mountain circuit or had the desire to do so, but has anyone the right to prevent others from doing so?

 

I don't believe that the government should be taken to task for sanctioning the races, they are part of our heritage, like it or not. I believe that there is still a majority of locals who support the TT and that the non supporters are right to object if they believe that they are morally right. I just don't believe that they are.

 

I can understand the issues of a little disruption during the TT, but if you lived near any major event venue you would have to endure this.

 

The best and most sensible post of this thread.

[paswt]

People who are commenting have to realise that all forms motorsport both 2 wheeled and 4 are dangerous, the rush is part of the reason people do it, yes they do not expect to die when they start a race but to a man or woman they know the risks and still willingly participate.

 

I do not believe that any of them are forced against their will to race, they do it because they want to.

 

They do it because your government makes it possible, by organising the event and providing the infrastructure and then ENCOURAGING them to come here and take their chances.

Is that a bit like your? government encouraging young people to get killed in foreign lands so your? politicians can feed their egos (at everyone elses expence)with impunity ? Riders are not conscripted and have more bottle and skill than I have and should be aware of the risks and be allowed to make their own minds up.

[When Skies Are Grey]

Dude...I think ? your ? keyboard is broken?

[jonnyrotten]

As someone who was very nearly a TT statistic and still suffering the effects of horrific injuries, I can say that I would do it all again if I could. I certainly wouldn't want anyone trying to tell me that I now live in a world where somebody believes that it is unacceptable for me to participate in something that they have no interest or involvement in!

 

Like many people on here I am totally unable to discover any logic in the belief that unless you take part in something you are disqualified from holding a valid opinion about it.

 

 

I knew a good many riders who have lost their lives, and some may say that it is an old cliche saying that they knew the risks, I can assure you that they did! One good friend of mine had even had three attempts on Everest and had raced on the mountain circuit for thirty years before losing his life during the TT. He was very much aware of the risks.

 

And that makes it okay for Government to organise and promote excessively dangerous sports in the name of profit? I don't think so.

 

The loss of any life is tragic and I know it may be hard to believe, the TT and MGP actually enrich the lives of competitors. This is why they are willing to accept the risks involved. I am sure that this is difficult to understand by those who have never experienced racing over the mountain circuit or had the desire to do so, but has anyone the right to prevent others from doing so?

 

The question is not whether we should prevent you from doing so (although I think you'll find that the laws governing road users are designed specifically to achieve that purpose) but whether we as a nation should be providing the platform for you to do so in the name of enriching the Government coffers. Many people find that morally indefensible.

 

I don't believe that the government should be taken to task for sanctioning the races, they are part of our heritage, like it or not.

 

Just the same as Gladiatorial combat is part of Italian heritage? Or bare-knuckle fighting part of the rich tradition that is boxing?

 

I believe that there is still a majority of locals who support the TT and that the non supporters are right to object if they believe that they are morally right. I just don't believe that they are.

 

Fair comment. But worth remembering that popular support is no guarantee of excellence. Adolf Hitler was very popular, but that turned out not to be much of a recommendation in the end. (Not really Godwin's Law, btw)

 

 

I can understand the issues of a little disruption during the TT, but if you lived near any major event venue you would have to endure this.

 

Fair comment also. But few other events involve wholesale closure of major arterial routes for two weeks at a time, so it is a trifle unusual, and if you want the TTY to continue it's no good just saying "it's been here lionger than you have" or "there's always a boat in the morning." Serious TT supporters MUST address issues like this or forfeit their case.

[ThankU]

Over the past 12 months at least 3 local motorcyclists have been killed on Manx Roads at no fault of their own and nothing to do with the racing, should it now be considered that bikes are banned from Manx roads for good or better still educate Manx car drivers who in my opinion are the worst in the UK.