Blade Runner Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 If you are going to go somewhere there is a high risk of a crash then yes. Kids shouldn't be at the bottom of bray hill. How's the bottom of bray hill, ie on a straight bit of road not the outside of a corner a high risk spot? Nom: do kids watching the race know the risks? There's no restriction on who can watch. If the race is as risky to watch as posters here are suggesting, how do you safeguard those that might not be aware of those risks without controlling admission? It is the outside of a corner at the speeds the bikes are going, they loose it at the top/ half way down Bray hill (a left hander) the resulting debris will generally go in the direction of where that accident ended today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 How's the bottom of bray hill, ie on a straight bit of road not the outside of a corner a high risk spot? You are joking right? Bray hill is a high speed, down hill left hand bend. Should someone have an accident on that bend they will end up roughly at the end of port e chee avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Slim there's been a few crashes on Bray Hill over the years. Kids should be in the care of someone there. Do many children watch the races unaccompanied? I've not noticed but then I don't go out and watch much. I don't know, but they're off school and free to go about where they like. There's nothing preventing them from watching at those places not already marked as unsafe. . If the race is as risky to watch as posters here are suggesting, It's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Brat Hill is not a straight bit of road at 30mph, let alone 170! It's about the straightest bit, are you saying the entire course isn't safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 You are joking right? Bray hill is a high speed, down hill left hand bend. Should someone have an accident on that bend they will end up roughly at the end of port e chee avenue. Not joking, just not knowledgeable about the course on a race bike. So if the entire right hand side of bray hill (and any other straight after a slight bend) is unsafe, nobody should be watching from those places? What about the people who live there, I gather one house had a wheel through their window? Do the spectator exclusion zones include peoples front gardens? Not trolling, genuinely don't know. Was surprised at how much of the course you can't watch from after a visit up signpost today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Brat Hill is not a straight bit of road at 30mph, let alone 170! It's about the straightest bit, are you saying the entire course isn't safe? Either you are trolling or you are just looking at the course from a cyclists point of view, Bray hill is not one of the straightest sections by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Getting out of bed in the morning is unsafe, if you want to wrap yourself up in cotton wool, good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahc Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Slim have a look at Paul Orrit's 1999 crash on Bray Hill, he managed to hold on for longer but went in the same direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 A wall will not stop a bike going 100mph+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 A wall will not stop a bike going 100mph+. Yes it will, and they do, frequently. The bike today hit a garden wall and barely dented it. Everyone in the garden was OK, people the other side of the wall got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 You are joking right? Bray hill is a high speed, down hill left hand bend. Should someone have an accident on that bend they will end up roughly at the end of port e chee avenue. Not joking, just not knowledgeable about the course on a race bike. So if the entire right hand side of bray hill (and any other straight after a slight bend) is unsafe, nobody should be watching from those places? What about the people who live there, I gather one house had a wheel through their window? Do the spectator exclusion zones include peoples front gardens? Not trolling, genuinely don't know. Was surprised at how much of the course you can't watch from after a visit up signpost today. Bray Hill is not a slight bend. The outside of the exit of any corner is the highest risk area. Yes, if your garden is seen as dangerous enough it is a prohibited area, see exit of Ballagarey on the outside, likewise Douglas Road Corner (I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 A wall will not stop a bike going 100mph+. Some walls will, some wont, that is the decision you have to make if you use one as your escape option if a bike is coming toward you. Although I like the Subaru laps that happen now, if Mark Higgins had not saved that tank slapper he had a couple of years ago, just after todays incident site, a car, with its mass would go through houses, a bike wont, especially if the wall has a decent mass itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Could be drunken bollocks, but I heard that the front wheel ended up in someone's living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 There's a BBC news report (video) on FB where an eye witness says as much (well, it went through the window of a house, he didn't specify which window). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It was actually a text message someone showed me that said "the front wheel came through our living room window". So in a few years we've progressed from "the riders know the risks" to "the spectators know the risks" to "people sitting on their sofas know the risks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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