manxb&b Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Are we still playing? I thought I won? Only the world's smuggest dick head award, but hey, it's the most you're ever likely to acheive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The racing is fine - they know the risks etc. I've no problem with it continuing. I don't like to see the racers described as heroes or the bravest men on the planet etc. Those descriptions are usually reserved for people risking themselves to help others, not risking themselves and their family life in the pursuit of personal thrills. What is not fine is us tacitly attracting thousands of wannabees over with the promise they can ride the course at unlimited speeds. If it's all about the races, and the fans watching them and soaking up the atmosphere, and not really about being able to ride over the mountain at 150 without losing your license, then let's see a properly enforced speed limit for the fortnight, with severe penalties for those exceeding. I suspect visitor numbers, and visitor fatalities, would drop dramatically. Monkey Boy - I often appreciate your arguments as very thought provoking, but the comparison with military expenditure is spurious to say the least. Wars are not designed as spectator events to entertain, and the economic parallels that they are needed to keep jobs in the arms industry are really a bit 'tin-foil hat' territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I see the Island's infrastructure creaking under the TT load and wonder what it would be like with Skelly's extra 20k residents....? On a full-time basis....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I do wonder what effect the weather has on both open & closed roads in situations like this. I suspect dry weather leads to a false sense of security/safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 What is not fine is us tacitly attracting thousands of wannabees over with the promise they can ride the course at unlimited speeds. If it's all about the races, and the fans watching them and soaking up the atmosphere, and not really about being able to ride over the mountain at 150 without losing your license, then let's see a properly enforced speed limit for the fortnight, with severe penalties for those exceeding. I suspect visitor numbers, and visitor fatalities, would drop dramatically. This is sort of where I'm coming from and the reason I've had it with everything now; and can you imagine what it will be like if we grow the event to get another 10,000 bikers over as the new marketing agency has been tasked to deliver? It's not a good investment. It's an investment into further death and misery. Without those sort of restrictions we cannot police and control the number of bikes or the speed, and if those restrictions start having to be applied anyway a lot fewer will start coming. How many road deaths are we up to now? Four? And the event hasn't really started yet. But it's all the locals fault don't forget reading the Police tweets; were just drunken, fighting, speeding, careless idiots who seem to deliberately wait for these two weeks of the year to get drunk and disorderly and kill people on the roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxmann Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 When nobody is taking any notice of you, or your views on life it becomes just like trying to sell your latest book you have to say something controversial to get noticed aren't we due a statement about an armed presence at Tynwald Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie44 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I have been a Supporter of Bernie's for many many years, but this is one ' personal comment ' to many. Lifetime friendships have been forged via the TT. It has helped to develop safety for motorcycles and continues to do so. For someone who has stood up for the rights of the individual this is hypocritical , it is also deeply insulting to those who put massive amounts of time into trying to make the event as safe as is possible for a high speed motor race. To suggest the people on ( and off the Island ) make money out of death , is disgusting , it is a comment I never thought I would hear from someone for whom I had a great deal of respect. You've lost a supporter today Bernie, but after your comments,I doubt if you will care. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie44 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I do wonder what effect the weather has on both open & closed roads in situations like this. I suspect dry weather leads to a false sense of security/safety. Always has done, look back through the records. Fine weather = many more accidents! but equally this applies outside TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie44 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 What is not fine is us tacitly attracting thousands of wannabees over with the promise they can ride the course at unlimited speeds. If it's all about the races, and the fans watching them and soaking up the atmosphere, and not really about being able to ride over the mountain at 150 without losing your license, then let's see a properly enforced speed limit for the fortnight, with severe penalties for those exceeding. I suspect visitor numbers, and visitor fatalities, would drop dramatically. This is sort of where I'm coming from and the reason I've had it with everything now; and can you imagine what it will be like if we grow the event to get another 10,000 bikers over as the new marketing agency has been tasked to deliver? It's not a good investment. It's an investment into further death and misery. Without those sort of restrictions we cannot police and control the number of bikes or the speed, and if those restrictions start having to be applied anyway a lot fewer will start coming. How many road deaths are we up to now? Four? And the event hasn't really started yet. But it's all the locals fault don't forget reading the Police tweets; were just drunken, fighting, speeding, careless idiots who seem to deliberately wait for these two weeks of the year to get drunk and disorderly and kill people on the roads. Ask for Police records and you will find that ' Locals ' have played a major part in accidents and bad behavior at TT time for many years Nothing new in this , the sad part is that the ' Locals ' should play a huge part in demonstrating friendliness and good behavior at TT time , both on and off the roads. Anyone who knows anything about the TT fans will tell you that in general they are a grand group of people, fun loving, friendly and well behaved. That is not a biased view, it is one gained by 60 plus years of contact with TT fans. I do however believe that ' local ' behavior has become worse and worse, and yes , it has been over the past thirty years . Work that out for yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Another accident in Ramsey. Someone drove into a lamppost and his bike went flying in bits all over the air. This is not just a danger to the biker but to passers by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 What is not fine is us tacitly attracting thousands of wannabees over with the promise they can ride the course at unlimited speeds. If it's all about the races, and the fans watching them and soaking up the atmosphere, and not really about being able to ride over the mountain at 150 without losing your license, then let's see a properly enforced speed limit for the fortnight, with severe penalties for those exceeding. I suspect visitor numbers, and visitor fatalities, would drop dramatically.This is sort of where I'm coming from and the reason I've had it with everything now; and can you imagine what it will be like if we grow the event to get another 10,000 bikers over as the new marketing agency has been tasked to deliver? It's not a good investment. It's an investment into further death and misery. Without those sort of restrictions we cannot police and control the number of bikes or the speed, and if those restrictions start having to be applied anyway a lot fewer will start coming. How many road deaths are we up to now? Four? And the event hasn't really started yet. But it's all the locals fault don't forget reading the Police tweets; were just drunken, fighting, speeding, careless idiots who seem to deliberately wait for these two weeks of the year to get drunk and disorderly and kill people on the roads.Ask for Police records and you will find that ' Locals ' have played a major part in accidents and bad behavior at TT time for many years Nothing new in this , the sad part is that the ' Locals ' should play a huge part in demonstrating friendliness and good behavior at TT time , both on and off the roads. Anyone who knows anything about the TT fans will tell you that in general they are a grand group of people, fun loving, friendly and well behaved. That is not a biased view, it is one gained by 60 plus years of contact with TT fans. I do however believe that ' local ' behavior has become worse and worse, and yes , it has been over the past thirty years . Work that out for yourselftrouble is, if you don't like bikes, there's not a great deal else to do other than get bladdered. it's a tradition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 What is not fine is us tacitly attracting thousands of wannabees over with the promise they can ride the course at unlimited speeds. If it's all about the races, and the fans watching them and soaking up the atmosphere, and not really about being able to ride over the mountain at 150 without losing your license, then let's see a properly enforced speed limit for the fortnight, with severe penalties for those exceeding. I suspect visitor numbers, and visitor fatalities, would drop dramatically.This is sort of where I'm coming from and the reason I've had it with everything now; and can you imagine what it will be like if we grow the event to get another 10,000 bikers over as the new marketing agency has been tasked to deliver? It's not a good investment. It's an investment into further death and misery. Without those sort of restrictions we cannot police and control the number of bikes or the speed, and if those restrictions start having to be applied anyway a lot fewer will start coming. How many road deaths are we up to now? Four? And the event hasn't really started yet. But it's all the locals fault don't forget reading the Police tweets; were just drunken, fighting, speeding, careless idiots who seem to deliberately wait for these two weeks of the year to get drunk and disorderly and kill people on the roads.Ask for Police records and you will find that ' Locals ' have played a major part in accidents and bad behavior at TT time for many years Nothing new in this , the sad part is that the ' Locals ' should play a huge part in demonstrating friendliness and good behavior at TT time , both on and off the roads. Anyone who knows anything about the TT fans will tell you that in general they are a grand group of people, fun loving, friendly and well behaved. That is not a biased view, it is one gained by 60 plus years of contact with TT fans. I do however believe that ' local ' behavior has become worse and worse, and yes , it has been over the past thirty years . Work that out for yourselftrouble is, if you don't like bikes, there's not a great deal else to do other than get bladdered. it's a tradition Yeh not a great deal els to do...... except watch tv, play computer games, get s job, go out and exercise, join a gym, go camping, try a new hobby like landscape painting, join a library, visit heritage sites, form groups and play music together, volunteer for charity, sunbathe, listen to music, talk to each other about important things, stand for election, learn to drive, learn to knit, write poetry, go birdwatching, climb hills, go swimming, chill to a few joints etc etc etc x 1,000,000 million other things they could do aside from get pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Or go volunteer to mow old people's lawns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Moan like fuck on manxforums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmanx Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 To suggest the people on ( and off the Island ) make money out of death , is disgusting The sport is dangerous, people get entertainment from watching dangerous things (boxing, bull fighting, etc), people come to the island because we host a dangerous sport, people make money from people coming to watch the dangerous sport. Whether it sits with your conscience or not, because people die, people are indirectly making money from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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