thesultanofsheight Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The accusation that the vote was based on xenophobia is offensive. The EU is a centralising, sovereignty eroding, unaccountable clique run by some very odious self-serving people. So to vote against that is xenophobic? There's a big world out there! No it isn't. The more muppets they interview on TV that is exactly what it was about. Every interview is with some toothless tattooed Jeremy Kyle Show reject citing immigration as their primary reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillshepherd Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 In order to continue trading with the EU, we would need to retain many of the rules and regulations that are in place now. Toxins and carcinogens are the purpose of some of these regs. they can keep all the toxins/carcinogens to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 What about the rule that we cannot drop large boulders on Coyotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillshepherd Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 What about the rule that we cannot drop large boulders on Coyotes? thats not nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The dust hasn't even begun to settle and there are 'experts' prophesying the end of the world as we know it. We all knew that there was going to be short term turmoil and difficult times for a while as we reset our position in the world, even the Brexiteers were saying that, we need to work through all of this. If the EU really wanted us to stay they would have tried harder to keep us. It still could happen that the UK parliament does not ratify the referendum should the EU offer us a better deal? No Not all. You are not a country. You are not a nation. You are not sovereign. I heard Allan Bell say that whatever may replace Protocol 3 for the trade in physical goods the Isle of Man will not get any full access deal for financial services....The EU will take this chance to push you even further away than at present I don't disagree with that, it might turn out the worst deal ever for the Isle of Man but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Maybe the island has outlived it's usefulness in general, maybe it will to go back to spuds and herrings and let the big boys get on with the business of international finance and tax harmonisation. Everything is cyclic. It might not be great news for us here but the world is bigger than the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The dust hasn't even begun to settle and there are 'experts' prophesying the end of the world as we know it. We all knew that there was going to be short term turmoil and difficult times for a while as we reset our position in the world, even the Brexiteers were saying that, we need to work through all of this. If the EU really wanted us to stay they would have tried harder to keep us. It still could happen that the UK parliament does not ratify the referendum should the EU offer us a better deal? I think the UK Parliament won't ratify it. Also looking at Sturgeon she's one of the few with any balls in this debate. Claiming now that the Scottish Parliament won't ratify the decision or give its approval for the UK Parliament to press the button on its behalf as the Scots clearly and overwhelmingly wanted to stay in. She's certainly showing Gove and Johnson up when it comes to at least being prepared to kick Cameron in the balls and mean it. She's a gob on a stick and should be put back into her box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The dust hasn't even begun to settle and there are 'experts' prophesying the end of the world as we know it. We all knew that there was going to be short term turmoil and difficult times for a while as we reset our position in the world, even the Brexiteers were saying that, we need to work through all of this. If the EU really wanted us to stay they would have tried harder to keep us. It still could happen that the UK parliament does not ratify the referendum should the EU offer us a better deal? No Not all. You are not a country. You are not a nation. You are not sovereign. I heard Allan Bell say that whatever may replace Protocol 3 for the trade in physical goods the Isle of Man will not get any full access deal for financial services....The EU will take this chance to push you even further away than at present I don't disagree with that, it might turn out the worst deal ever for the Isle of Man but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Maybe the island has outlived it's usefulness in general, maybe it will to go back to spuds and herrings and let the big boys get on with the business of international finance and tax harmonisation. Everything is cyclic. It might not be great news for us here but the world is bigger than the rock. They probably need to be careful who's arms they push us into! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The accusation that the vote was based on xenophobia is offensive. The EU is a centralising, sovereignty eroding, unaccountable clique run by some very odious self-serving people. So to vote against that is xenophobic? There's a big world out there! No it isn't. The more muppets they interview on TV that is exactly what it was about. Every interview is with some toothless tattooed Jeremy Kyle Show reject citing immigration as their primary reason. Maybe you are right Sultan, but the fact is the politicians have ignored these people, despite the fact that they have the same one vote as everyone else and then expected to carry the day whilst ignoring a large section of the electorate. Whether we agree or disagree with them is irrelevant, what should have happened is inclusive politics, where those who felt disenfranchised were listened to and their concerns properly addressed. Gordon Brown started the rot with his dismissal of that lady within earshot and the political elite carried on from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The accusation that the vote was based on xenophobia is offensive. The EU is a centralising, sovereignty eroding, unaccountable clique run by some very odious self-serving people. So to vote against that is xenophobic? There's a big world out there! No it isn't. The more muppets they interview on TV that is exactly what it was about. Every interview is with some toothless tattooed Jeremy Kyle Show reject citing immigration as their primary reason. Maybe you are right Sultan, but the fact is the politicians have ignored these people, despite the fact that they have the same one vote as everyone else and then expected to carry the day whilst ignoring a large section of the electorate. Whether we agree or disagree with them is irrelevant, what should have happened is inclusive politics, where those who felt disenfranchised were listened to and their concerns properly addressed. Gordon Brown started the rot with his dismissal of that lady within earshot and the political elite carried on from there. I don't disagree with you. But government also has the responsibility not to run the country into the ground just because people who are bitter and twisted want that to happen. Even less so if 20% voted based on absolute lies spun about immigration and now realize that those were, in fact, lies that will never deliver what was promised. The tactics used in terms of the focus on outsiders ruining it for everyone were no better than those used by Hilter against the Jews in 1933. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 one of my family remarked this morning that EUSSR directives have added thousands of pounds to the running costs of his business and his competitors,he is looking forward to an EUSSR without it costing us/everybody an arm and a leg for their one size fits all overarching intrusions into all aspects of our lives,roll on the next DOMINO. He is likely to be disappointed. There are thousands of EU regulations which are currently law in the UK. It will take a whole new and expensive bureacracy years to evaluate them all and decide which to keep and which not to. We will then have to move forward creating new regulations which we pay for ourselves instead of sharing the cost amongst 28 other countries. That cost being borne out of a diminished GDP as a result of inefficiencies caused by the loss of freedom of movement of capital and labour and the cost of tariffs and the hassle of exporting across borders. The resulting regulations being similar to those that will apply in the EU if we want our goods and services to be sold there. Added to which we have sent a message to the world that we are insular, backward looking and xenophobic whilst denying opportunities to our young. Apart from that, all is well. It'll be interesting to see if we ever got the point of the UK leaving. It's an extraordinary task. Ruth Davidson could create a new centrist party (European Conservatives or Social Democrats) and absorb the sensible element of the Labour and Conservative parties, enter into a pact with the SNP, Liberals, Greens, etc...Meanwhile Boris becomes PM, decides what it was he asked everyone to vote for and presents it to his party. Shaken they say this is a bit extreme and force him to go to the country in a general election to gain a mandate for his madness. In that election Ruth & co campaign on the basis of a federal UK, reduced austerity and the UK as a member of the EU and win a landlside victory. Farage is jailed, Cameron and Boris go into exile in Switzerland. I can dream.... I anticipate a UK cross-party pro-EU alliance to fight a general election anticipated in the autumn with aims for Europe similar to those Yanis Vanoufakis has been extolling Farage, Bojo & The Gover ought to be jailed for deliberately misleading the elderly & confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillshepherd Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The dust hasn't even begun to settle and there are 'experts' prophesying the end of the world as we know it. We all knew that there was going to be short term turmoil and difficult times for a while as we reset our position in the world, even the Brexiteers were saying that, we need to work through all of this. If the EU really wanted us to stay they would have tried harder to keep us. It still could happen that the UK parliament does not ratify the referendum should the EU offer us a better deal? I think the UK Parliament won't ratify it. Also looking at Sturgeon she's one of the few with any balls in this debate. Claiming now that the Scottish Parliament won't ratify the decision or give its approval for the UK Parliament to press the button on its behalf as the Scots clearly and overwhelmingly wanted to stay in. She's certainly showing Gove and Johnson up when it comes to at least being prepared to kick Cameron in the balls and mean it. She's a gob on a stick and should be put back into her box. she's a fucking nazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The accusation that the vote was based on xenophobia is offensive. The EU is a centralising, sovereignty eroding, unaccountable clique run by some very odious self-serving people. So to vote against that is xenophobic? There's a big world out there!No it isn't. The more muppets they interview on TV that is exactly what it was about. Every interview is with some toothless tattooed Jeremy Kyle Show reject citing immigration as their primary reason. Maybe you are right Sultan, but the fact is the politicians have ignored these people, despite the fact that they have the same one vote as everyone else and then expected to carry the day whilst ignoring a large section of the electorate. Whether we agree or disagree with them is irrelevant, what should have happened is inclusive politics, where those who felt disenfranchised were listened to and their concerns properly addressed. Gordon Brown started the rot with his dismissal of that lady within earshot and the political elite carried on from there. I don't disagree with you. But government also has the responsibility not to run the country into the ground just because people who are bitter and twisted want that to happen. Even less so if 20% voted based on absolute lies spun about immigration and now realize that those were, in fact, lies that will never deliver what was promised. The tactics used in terms of the focus on outsiders ruining it for everyone were no better than those used by Hilter against the Jews in 1933. You're giving Farage and Johnson too much credit. A large slice of those who voted to leave probably couldn't pick Farage out of a line-up. It was a vote not to deliver on the claims that were promised but a vote against centralisation of power into the hands of people who no-one has heard of. The EU and it's associated institutions were built on the premise that no-one would escape, that's why we are hearing them squealing. This wasn't in the script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillshepherd Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 The accusation that the vote was based on xenophobia is offensive. The EU is a centralising, sovereignty eroding, unaccountable clique run by some very odious self-serving people. So to vote against that is xenophobic? There's a big world out there!No it isn't. The more muppets they interview on TV that is exactly what it was about. Every interview is with some toothless tattooed Jeremy Kyle Show reject citing immigration as their primary reason. Maybe you are right Sultan, but the fact is the politicians have ignored these people, despite the fact that they have the same one vote as everyone else and then expected to carry the day whilst ignoring a large section of the electorate. Whether we agree or disagree with them is irrelevant, what should have happened is inclusive politics, where those who felt disenfranchised were listened to and their concerns properly addressed. Gordon Brown started the rot with his dismissal of that lady within earshot and the political elite carried on from there. I don't disagree with you. But government also has the responsibility not to run the country into the ground just because people who are bitter and twisted want that to happen. Even less so if 20% voted based on absolute lies spun about immigration and now realize that those were, in fact, lies that will never deliver what was promised. The tactics used in terms of the focus on outsiders ruining it for everyone were no better than those used by Hilter against the Jews in 1933. You're giving Farage and Johnson too much credit. A large slice of those who voted to leave probably couldn't pick Farage out of a line-up. It was a vote not to deliver on the claims that were promised but a vote against centralisation of power into the hands of people who no-one has heard of. The EU and it's associated institutions were built on the premise that no-one would escape, that's why we are hearing them squealing. This wasn't in the script. and they were dealing with a country which has had its back to the wall before,we unlike the other muppets were not for taking the shit which cameron/chamberlain brought back from BERLIN.get some cojones you lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 There seem to be quite a lot of examples turning up of people behaving like absolute twats. Lots of videos of people saying ' we voted out, so fuck off' and the like. It would be hugely depressing if it wasn't so expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 When Britain fought the Nazis it was brave. Don't try to draw an analogy between fighting fascism against huge odds and voting for a massive recession because you believed the flattering to deceive words of the English newspapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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