Time To Change The Law On Drugs?

[Mr Helmut Fromage]

8 minutes ago, Rog said:

Do keep in mind that I am a hard atheist.

Excellent news - you can use it too.

[Bobbie Bobster]

53 minutes ago, Rog said:

It would be VERY popular amongst DECENT people 

[The Lurker]

23 hours ago, Rog said:

Self financing.  Draconian fines on the low life fools could be hypothecated.

Because junkies always have long thousands lying around to pay fines. 

[Rog]

1 hour ago, The Lurker said:

Because junkies always have long thousands lying around to pay fines. 

Then jail them for years or even decades in hard no frills prisons.  If they can afford the crap which they loosen themselves then they have the cash to pay fines. 

[La Colombe]

It's refreshing to see someone more relevant to the argument apologising for his part in the absurd war on drugs and calling for a radical new approach. 

Drug legislation a 'tragic disaster for the poor', says Lord Falconer. 

[Neil Down]

29 minutes ago, Rog said:

Then jail them for years or even decades in hard no frills prisons.  If they can afford the crap which they loosen themselves then they have the cash to pay fines. 

The users need help - the dealers need draconian measures taken against them

[Rog]

14 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

The users need help - the dealers need draconian measures taken against them

Persecute both.  They rely on each other.  Make dealing AND using drugs create a raw fear of the consequences. And I do mean persecute.

[the stinking enigma]

Dealers rely on the fact that drugs are illegal

[the stinking enigma]

Ban blancmange they'd deal that instead.

Edited October 5, 2018 by the stinking enigma

[Neil Down]

Just now, the stinking enigma said:

Ban blacmange they'd deal that instead.

You can forget that, I'm not paying over the odds for my fix of blancmange....

[ecobob]

1 hour ago, Rog said:

Persecute both.  They rely on each other.  Make dealing AND using drugs create a raw fear of the consequences. And I do mean persecute.

it wouldn't work  Its never worked.  Even in countries where they do just as you advocate.  It doesn't work. It's never worked.  It's cost us millions and millions of pounds already and it's not working.  You're supposed to be intelligent.  Why would you advocate doing the same old guff when it's been proved for years that it doesn't work? What works?  Decriminalisation. Look at the countries that have done this.  The money being used for the 'war on drugs' is now being used to help addicts, not persecute them.  Persecution has never worked for anything ever - but still you bang the same old drum.  I don't even think you come here to debate and learn.  All you seem to want to do is be inflammatory and take the opposing view.  Lord Falconer who knows more than most is catching up to this new reality but you are too blinkered to see.  Far from having a solution to the problem all you do is perpetuate the problem.  Wouldn't you prefer, just for once, to be part of the solution and not the problem itself?

[Rog]

11 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

Dealers rely on the fact that drugs are illegal

Very true but their customer base would be significantly reduced by installing raw fear of the consequences of being discovered in the customers.

And I do mean fear.  

Hardtime in hard prison, long term consequences of being discovered, exclusion from certain employment, cancellation of driving licenses, confiscation of property up to and including houses - and more. Not time to get soft with drug CRIMINALS but to get incredibly HARD.

[Rog]

6 minutes ago, ecobob said:

it wouldn't work  Its never worked.  Even in countries where they do just as you advocate.  It doesn't work. It's never worked.  It's cost us millions and millions of pounds already and it's not working.  You're supposed to be intelligent.  Why would you advocate doing the same old guff when it's been proved for years that it doesn't work? What works?  Decriminalisation. Look at the countries that have done this.  The money being used for the 'war on drugs' is now being used to help addicts, not persecute them.  Persecution has never worked for anything ever - but still you bang the same old drum.  I don't even think you come here to debate and learn.  All you seem to want to do is be inflammatory and take the opposing view.  Lord Falconer who knows more than most is catching up to this new reality but you are too blinkered to see.  Far from having a solution to the problem all you do is perpetuate the problem.  Wouldn't you prefer, just for once, to be part of the solution and not the problem itself?

It does work in countries that play real hard ball.  The regime imposed by Duterte in The Philippines is proving it.  

 

 

[ecobob]

Ah yes, Duterte.  The man who declared he 'should have been first' in the gang rape of an Australian missionary…

This is the man who for you is a role model?

[ecobob]

And really, take a close look at the regime there. It may have cut down (literally) the amount of drug dealers on the streets but the repercussions from that regime have been huge a far reaching.  And then there's the question of culture. It would never happen here.  You know this. So it's a non starter.  Unless you want to start it yourself?  Vigilante style? See how you get on?