IoM Teachers 'worst off' in British Isles

[GD4ELI]

57 minutes ago, Max Power said:

I know several teacher's working in the UK, IoM teachers are much better off in many ways. 

I know Manx - true Manx teachers working in the UK, I'm interested to know why they would be better off on the Island.

[Stu Peters]

1 hour ago, GD4ELI said:

I know Manx - true Manx teachers working in the UK, I'm interested to know why they would be better off on the Island.

Because the majority of the UK is a festering shit hole full of deadbeats, criminals and feral yoot with a lower quality of life. It's time we stopped being held hostage by self-interested groups who threaten to fuck off if they don't get their own way. Fuck off then - there's a boat in the morning.

My genius solution to this is to pay Manx kids' university fees in return for them promising to work here on a reasonable but not exceptional wage for 5-10 years once qualified as a doctor, teacher, dentist, nurse, IT specialist or whatever other sector we're short-staffed in. Most airline pilots have invested £50-100k in their own careers before they have a chance of earning a half decent salary - so since almost every teenager seems to want to go to Uni these days they should be sharing the cost of their further education and considerably enhanced earning power in later life.

[notwell]

6 hours ago, GD4ELI said:

I know Manx - true Manx teachers working in the UK, I'm interested to know why they would be better off on the Island.

Well the opening link states the opposite. So the question you should be answering is why would Manx teachers be worse off teaching on the Isle of Man?  

[sarahc]

Pay freeze for years and years.

[Uhtred]

6 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

Because the majority of the UK is a festering shit hole full of deadbeats, criminals and feral yoof...

Depressingly, although expressed in terms that wouldn't find their way into the pages of the Guardian, this analysis is totally correct.

[ballaughbiker]

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 It's time we stopped being held hostage by self-interested groups who threaten to fuck off if they don't get their own way

Hmmm if only there wasn't a significant recruitment issue.

It might be an idea to discover why that exists.

[Ham_N_Eggs]

2 hours ago, notwell said:

Well the opening link states the opposite. So the question you should be answering is why would Manx teachers be worse off teaching on the Isle of Man?  

Because of the pensions. If they did ever need to move to the UK the manx pension is non transferable. Likewise if a UK teacher moved to the Island they would lose their entitlement to all contributions they have made to the pension after 5 years. Also there is some quirk around the manx pgce being non transferable to the UK. So if they did way to leave they couldn't. But the issue isn't manx teachers leaving the problem is we don't have enough teachers and there is very little incentive for teachers to come and live here. Would you move here to face a higher cost of living / housing costs for the same pay and the chance of losing your pension?

[The Duck of Atholl]

9 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Because of the pensions. If they did ever need to move to the UK the manx pension is non transferable. Likewise if a UK teacher moved to the Island they would lose their entitlement to all contributions they have made to the pension after 5 years. Also there is some quirk around the manx pgce being non transferable to the UK. So if they did way to leave they couldn't. But the issue isn't manx teachers leaving the problem is we don't have enough teachers and there is very little incentive for teachers to come and live here. Would you move here to face a higher cost of living / housing costs for the same pay and the chance of losing your pension?

That's quite an issue also with only a handful of secondary schools on the island perhaps career progression is difficult.

[notwell]

24 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Because of the pensions. If they did ever need to move to the UK the manx pension is non transferable. Likewise if a UK teacher moved to the Island they would lose their entitlement to all contributions they have made to the pension after 5 years. Also there is some quirk around the manx pgce being non transferable to the UK. So if they did way to leave they couldn't. But the issue isn't manx teachers leaving the problem is we don't have enough teachers and there is very little incentive for teachers to come and live here. Would you move here to face a higher cost of living / housing costs for the same pay and the chance of losing your pension?

Well you wouldn't lose your pension would you?  The entitlement would simply be frozen until you retired and claimed it.

Also the cost of living isn't necessarily much higher when everything is actually taken into account.  That's a bit of a myth really.

[Tibet]

Just because things are worse somewhere else, it doesn't mean we should set "worse" as the baseline and accept minimal or sub-standard working conditions here. I'm sure there are places where literally everything is worse for everyone who lives there: does that mean the rest of the world should stop all progress and reduce everything to the lowest possible standard? It's a senseless and irrational argument.

[finlo]

4 hours ago, notwell said:

Well you wouldn't lose your pension would you?  The entitlement would simply be frozen until you retired and claimed it.

Also the cost of living isn't necessarily much higher when everything is actually taken into account.  That's a bit of a myth really.

Try telling that to any gas or electricity consumers!

 

 

 

[Tibet]

4 hours ago, notwell said:

Well you wouldn't lose your pension would you?  The entitlement would simply be frozen until you retired and claimed it.

Not true. As a non-resident, your pension would be subject to a 20% non-resident / higher rate of tax, with a £0 non-resident allowance. In other words, if you have an Isle of Man Government pension and you emigrate, you'll be charged 10% more tax, you won't be eligible for any allowance, and the country where you move to will likely tax your pension as well. I have a family member thinking of moving abroad and they would go from paying 10% tax to paying a whopping 40% tax on their pension once the other country had taxed them as well. Does anybody know how much the UK Government would tax it after the IOM Government has already deducted 20% if they were to move to the UK?

[Tibet]

4 minutes ago, finlo said:

Try telling that to any gas or electricity consumers!

 

Or telecom.....

[doc.fixit]

1 hour ago, Tibet said:

Not true. As a non-resident, your pension would be subject to a 20% non-resident / higher rate of tax, with a £0 non-resident allowance. In other words, if you have an Isle of Man Government pension and you emigrate, you'll be charged 10% more tax, you won't be eligible for any allowance, and the country where you move to will likely tax your pension as well. I have a family member thinking of moving abroad and they would go from paying 10% tax to paying a whopping 40% tax on their pension once the other country had taxed them as well. Does anybody know how much the UK Government would tax it after the IOM Government has already deducted 20% if they were to move to the UK?

.......I thought there is an agreement about double tax..........I certainly only pay IOM tax even though I receive a small pension from a UK firm I worked for, for a few years..............

[P.K.]

14 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

Because the majority of the UK is a festering shit hole full of deadbeats, criminals and feral yoot with a lower quality of life. 

That's enough about your family Stu. After all, you can choose your friends....

We've been warching "Educating Greater Manchester" - very instructive.