ballaughbiker Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Quote Can you imagine trying to do a presentation or teach something difficult with numerous people in the audience distracted by the latest bullshit on facebook, and the occasional phone beeping or ringing? Aye Albert worse if they are wearing a burqa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: I am biased however as I like secularism. In addition, most reasonable people accept wearing the burqa in public is rarely just a fashion choice. Put the two sentences above together and it's almost as though you are suggesting that wearing the burqa is forced upon women by some subjugating force.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Isn't it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, quilp said: Why do you think uniform policy is a bad thing? If kids were allowed to wear what they wanted there'd be unnecessary competition: you'd have better well-off kids coming to class in all manner of fashion, in their designer trainers and hip gear leaving the poorer kids looking on. There has to be this most basic of standardisation, in the interests of fairness. And what's this, "incredibly un-British" bollocks? How unlike you to indulge in vague identitarianism... Uniforms are bad, I think because enforced conformity when we should encourage creativity and freedom. But let each school decide for it's own population, maybe for the reasons you state some will need a uniform, some may not. UnBritish - I identify as Manx, Celtic, European and British (as in British Isles). But clearly British. When I was growing up British values were tolerance, fair play and freedom of the individual. Having a national law on school uniform or use of mobiles seems dogmatic when this can be decided at a local level by heads. Didn't we learn anything from the Blair years? When you create laws as a reaction to current events you end up with fixed rules which can't be changed for years. Have a law banning all mobiles from school and a computer studies teacher can't set an mobile ap design project, or an engineering teacher can't demonstrate a project that is triggered by an phone ap; whereas a head could give them dispensation in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, P.K. said: Put the two sentences above together and it's almost as though you are suggesting that wearing the burqa is forced upon women by some subjugating force.... It's the people doing the forcing that need tackling, not people choosing to wear a head scarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 The burqa is a bit more than a head scarf (hijab in its most 'radical' form) . In fact there is no reasonably valid comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Declan said: Have a law banning all mobiles from school and a computer studies teacher can't set an mobile ap design project, or an engineering teacher can't demonstrate a project that is triggered by an phone ap; whereas a head could give them dispensation in those circumstances. Or they could just use phones or platforms provided by the school for just such a purpose. As a parent I agree with the ban. They spend enough time with their noses stuck to their phones as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 19 hours ago, Declan said: Uniforms are bad, I think because enforced conformity when we should encourage creativity and freedom. schools are turning out enough #snowflakes as it is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Don’t you earn your living providing services to the creative industries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Eh? I thought he ran the waltzers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Declan said: Don’t you earn your living providing services to the creative industries? and..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: Eh? I thought he ran the waltzers? you walk a waltzer...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Bit jobsworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Denmark veil ban: First woman charged for wearing niqab Last year the European Court of Human Rights upheld a similar Belgian ban, saying that communal harmony trumped an individual's right to religious expression. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45064237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Good. Wearing a niqab is cultural repression not 'religious expression'. Danes 1 : UK 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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