woolley Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, TheTeapot said: knocked off no1 of what? I thought he meant he'd knocked off some ginger bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, woolley said: It's an age thing, Pongo. Plenty of young people are making great new music. It doesn't touch you unless you make the effort. Music maybe. But western pop music is a dead form IMO. It's not an age thing. It's the same as people are no longer still painting great impressionist paintings or making great bebop records. Forms exist in their own time - outside of that time it become pastiche. Like we no longer build half timbered houses except as a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: knocked off no1 of what? charts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, pongo said: Music maybe. But western pop music is a dead form IMO. It's not an age thing. It's the same as people are no longer still painting great impressionist paintings or making great bebop records. Forms exist in their own time - outside of that time it become pastiche. Like we no longer build half timbered houses except as a joke. usual for you to have a clue...... not....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, woody2 said: charts..... Any particular chart Woody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, pongo said: Music maybe. But western pop music is a dead form IMO. It's not an age thing. It's the same as people are no longer still painting great impressionist paintings or making great bebop records. Forms exist in their own time - outside of that time it become pastiche. Like we no longer build half timbered houses except as a joke. Don't be so cynical Pongo... Great art and music is still being made. Fine art, pop art, great sculpture, new indie forms evolving from the digital age. Orchestras still play: be-bop, modern jazz and early rock'n'roll is still being, and yet to be discovered. Some images from Ginette Calloway, born 1958. Just one of many of the new impressionists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, pongo said: Music maybe. But western pop music is a dead form IMO. It's not an age thing. It's the same as people are no longer still painting great impressionist paintings or making great bebop records. Forms exist in their own time - outside of that time it become pastiche. Like we no longer build half timbered houses except as a joke. Western pop music as you knew it in your day has simply moved on and adopted ethnic influences from all over the world. It has evolved to represent the societies in which it is now produced. There is some very high quality work and the blending of sounds originating from Latin, Arabic, Eastern European and Indian subcontinent traditions in addition to the introduction of instruments new to the west makes for intriguing and enjoyable listening. It is an age thing insofar as if you don't go looking for it, and many older people don't, then it isn't in your face so much as it used to be and it will pass you by. It isn't so mainstream and commercialised nowadays, and some would say all the better for that. This does not prevent new artists gathering huge followings for their original material online and in concert. I think this is a healthy and more honest way of gathering an audience than the former reliance on "getting a deal" from the industry Goliaths as the only make or break in the game. As ever, everything is a matter of taste. There has always been rubbish, 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 300 years ago, and there certainly is now. The trick is sorting out what you like from what you don't from all eras and genres by suspending preconceived ideas and listening with an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I think Pongo has a point, some art forms do seem to run out of steam - but I agree with Quilp here, they can always find new expression and new audiences, given time and circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Any particular chart Woody? Nurse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Nothing ever stays the same for even a short time. It's a dynamic situation. Take the "Swinging Sixties" for instance. The period is often glibly spoken of as a single epoch in pop, but the music of 1960 was light years away from that of 1965, let alone 1969. Artists later draw influences from those that have gone before and recycle them into their own work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, quilp said: Some images from Ginette Calloway, born 1958. Just one of many of the new impressionists... Aren't those basically just pretty pictures? Nothing wrong with that on a biscuit tin. But impressionism, in its era, challenged convention - being ridiculously modern and difficult to understand. It came out of ideas and was, in that sense, conceptual as well as stylistic. It was wild and challenging. It upset people. It was about ideas. Imitating it today is surely pastiche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 It's the post modern dilemma. Very difficult to be truly innovative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 New era digital media processing (all mediums) can be pretty innovative. Darwinism in art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 11 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Any particular chart Woody? itunes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 11 hours ago, pongo said: Aren't those basically just pretty pictures? Nothing wrong with that on a biscuit tin. But impressionism, in its era, challenged convention - being ridiculously modern and difficult to understand. It came out of ideas and was, in that sense, conceptual as well as stylistic. It was wild and challenging. It upset people. It was about ideas. Imitating it today is surely pastiche? art and music moves on, more young are involved than ever before..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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