Neil Down Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: It always amazes me how intelligent people blindly repeat the sort of nonsense they read in the British papers about benefits and so on and assume that (a) it's true(it usually isn't) and (b) that it applies to the Isle of Man as well. In this particular case it doesn't take long to discover that the main form of benefit, Income Support, has a five year (continuous) IOM residential qualification and that you need ten continuous years on the Island to qualify for local authority housing (that doesn't mean you get it, just that they won't even look at you if you're not). This indeed is why Caine's idea of taking Syrian (or any other sort) of refugees is impractical. There isn't the legal framework to deal with them and there is no means of providing them with financial or housing support. As an MHK, you would have thought that she would have had the sense to do some very basic research into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 5:51 AM, Linz said: What disgusting language. Why are these forums full of awful drunks like Big Norm embarrassing themselves? Horrible. If you don't like it the "fuck off" option is always available. Just like the "ignore" button.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Just now, P.K. said: If you don't like it the "fuck off" option is always available. Just like the "ignore" button.... Don’t get sucked into its piss poor trolling attempts PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Put on "Ignore" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, P.K. said: Put on "Ignore" It’ll just activate one of its other accounts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: It always amazes me how intelligent people blindly repeat the sort of nonsense they read in the British papers about benefits and so on and assume that (a) it's true(it usually isn't) and (b) that it applies to the Isle of Man as well. In this particular case it doesn't take long to discover that the main form of benefit, Income Support, has a five year (continuous) IOM residential qualification and that you need ten continuous years on the Island to qualify for local authority housing (that doesn't mean you get it, just that they won't even look at you if you're not). This indeed is why Caine's idea of taking Syrian (or any other sort) of refugees is impractical. There isn't the legal framework to deal with them and there is no means of providing them with financial or housing support. I wasn’t making a point on benefits. But my wider point was that this piece of ‘creme de la creme’ has happily managed to meet all the eligibility criteria to get a council house in Strang Close and survive living here and is just a worthless scumbag who abuses hospital staff whilst drunk (which I image for an alcoholic is frequently) so why would we accommodate these people freely when there is so much angst raised at Syrians? They’re not all rapists and criminals as they’re portrayed in the Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: It always amazes me how intelligent people blindly repeat the sort of nonsense they read in the British papers about benefits and so on and assume that (a) it's true(it usually isn't) and (b) that it applies to the Isle of Man as well. In this particular case it doesn't take long to discover that the main form of benefit, Income Support, has a five year (continuous) IOM residential qualification and that you need ten continuous years on the Island to qualify for local authority housing (that doesn't mean you get it, just that they won't even look at you if you're not). This indeed is why Caine's idea of taking Syrian (or any other sort) of refugees is impractical. There isn't the legal framework to deal with them and there is no means of providing them with financial or housing support. doesn't the reciprocal social security agreements overrule all that........ and why haven't you mentioned housing benefit........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: I wasn’t making a point on benefits. But my wider point was that this piece of ‘creme de la creme’ has happily managed to meet all the eligibility criteria to get a council house in Strang Close and survive living here and is just a worthless scumbag who abuses hospital staff whilst drunk (which I image for an alcoholic is frequently) so why would we accommodate these people freely when there is so much angst raised at Syrians? They’re not all rapists and criminals as they’re portrayed in the Daily Mail. Is it a council house. I thought there were some non-council houses there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Is an exchange fairer? If there’s a proposal for us to give a home to 30 Syrians, I can nominate 33 local residents to send to Damascus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 54 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Is it a council house. I thought there were some non-council houses there LGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Neil Down said: Is it a council house. I thought there were some non-council houses there They are all Commissioners houses. But as I said the issue isn’t housing but the fact that people like that are here in the first place when people are so vehemently opposed to Syrians who are probably at least industrious and wishing to improve their lives. Not violent alcoholics who abuse NHS staff who are subsidized by our taxes to spoil the quality of life for everyone else. Heres another example of the lovely people who have legally been allowed to make this place their home. Syrians would be no worse IMHO. http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=43940&headline=Teenager attacked taxi passenger§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 He stole Skol? What a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubbiali Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Uhtred said: Is an exchange fairer? If there’s a proposal for us to give a home to 30 Syrians, I can nominate 33 local residents to send to Damascus. Are you forgetting Mr Speaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, ubbiali said: Are you forgetting Mr Speaker? I think 33 is right...24 Keys which includes Speaker (who is an MHK for Rushen) and 9 in LegCo, which includes Attorney General and Bishop. Perhaps those two can be excused as they are there ex officio; so if we made it 31 that’s virtually a like-for-like swap! Edited to add - I think the LegCo 9 includes Rodan as “President”. If the Syrians want to negotiate terms, I’d be happy to take their 30 simply in exchange for the bagpipe worrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: I wasn’t making a point on benefits. But my wider point was that this piece of ‘creme de la creme’ has happily managed to meet all the eligibility criteria to get a council house in Strang Close and survive living here and is just a worthless scumbag who abuses hospital staff whilst drunk (which I image for an alcoholic is frequently) But he'll have had to have been on the Island for at least 10 years to be able to even apply for local authority housing, unless he's the partner of a tenant (in which case it's not his). But for all we know he could have been born here to Portuguese parents forty-odd years ago and lived here all his life, you can't assume someone's circumstances from them having a funny foreign name. Actually I suspect the abusing hospital staff may be a one-off as the staff didn't seem that keen to see him prosecuted, which presumably wouldn't have been the case if he made a habit of it. It's not like he'd have far to go if he wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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