Non-Believer Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, finlo said: 76, thought it was 82? Me too...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 Interesting. Which brings me to a topic I was going to create but can't be bothered now. What do we mean by government "accountability"? We know how a private enterprise is accountable: if it f-cks up, it goes bust (or that's what would happen in a real free market economy, none of that "too big to fail" Keynesian rubbish). We generally regard accountability as the main function of elections, that getting rid of the persons responsible for incompetent or damaging conduct in terms of policy and the results. That's it: as soon as they leave office, unless their f-ck ups were literally against the law, they get away with screwing up the economy and causing untold misery on society. Hardly accountability when you compare with Iceland and its bankers. Should we re-evaluate this and introduce real accountability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: Hardly accountability when you compare with Iceland and its bankers. Shoulpd we re-evaluate this and introduce real accountability? What's with the "we" Paleface? Are you thick or what? Turkeys / Christmas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 We The People. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, finlo said: 76, thought it was 82? Indeed it was, though @gettafa's point about rose-tinted glasses still applies (and of course the problems started there back in the 70s). Interesting to be reminded: Quote Following the collapse, the Lieutenant Governor commissioned an examination of banking supervision in the Isle of Man by officials seconded from the Bank of England. Responding to criticisms and recommendations contained in their report, the Financial Supervision Commission was established in 1983, and the Insurance Authority (later the Insurance and Pensions Authority) in 1986. The UK clearly didn't hesitate to interfere in the matters of the Island when it felt the locals were not managing things well - though the constitutional position was slightly burred then by the LG still being the Presiding Officer of Tynwald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 4 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: So we are talking z listers then. Is it Mike tindall's auntie? I think we're gonna need a whole new alphabet: Quote Official Guests 2019 Dr Hon W McKeeva Bush OBE JP Hon MSc MLA Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Cayman Islands Rt Hon Alistair Carmichael MP MP for Orkney and Shetland Chief Whip of the Liberal Democrats Dr Miguel Clűsener-Godt Director, Division of Ecological and Earth Sciences, UNESCO Secretary of the Programme on Man and the Biosphere Senator Paul Coghlan Leas-Chathaoirleach of Seanad Éireann. Connétable Simon Crowcroft Connétable of St Helier, Jersey Ms Linda Fabiani MSP Member of the Scottish Parliament for East Kilbride Deputy Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament Mr Michael Goulden Great nephew of Sophia Goulden Rt Hon Dame Eleanor Laing MP MP for Epping Forest Deputy Speaker, First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means Mr Robert MacRae QC Her Majesty's Attorney General of Jersey Ms Megan Pullum QC LLB Her Majesty's Procureur and Receiver General of Guernsey Mr Robert Neill MP MP for Bromley and Chislehurst Chairman of the Justice Select Committee Mr Magne Rommetveit Third Vice President of the Storting, Parliament of Norway Mr Andrew Rosindell MP MP for Romford Co-Chair of the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly Chairman of the UK-Isle of Man (Manx) All Party Parliamentary Group Mr Steingrimur Sigfusson Speaker of the Althingi, Parliament of Iceland Mr Olav Eek Thorstensen Chairman of Thome Group Though unless one of those moonlights as Princess Eugenie's pedicurist, can't see even any nano-royals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Indeed it was, though @gettafa's point about rose-tinted glasses still applies (and of course the problems started there back in the 70s). Interesting to be reminded: The UK clearly didn't hesitate to interfere in the matters of the Island when it felt the locals were not managing things well - though the constitutional position was slightly burred then by the LG still being the Presiding Officer of Tynwald. Hey Rog, I was just looking up the references made to 1976 and 1982 in A New History of the Isle of Man, Chapter: Economic History, 1836-1996, by Derek Winterbottom. Doesn't really explain much but it mentions in the first sentence: Quote In 1970 the Manx Government commissioned a firm of management consultants to produce a detailed inquiry into the economy, and this was published in 1971. Do you know where we can get a hold of this? And do you think it might be a good idea to commission a new inquiry into the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 The book, published by the University of Liverpool, is pretty sh!t when they make such statements then don't cite any kind of reference material or elaborate. The book just moves on, with no explanation. Manx National Heritage are another organisation who publish sh!t books. The Isle of Man has no academic credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Two Speakers there I see, Cayman and the Icelandic Althingi. And a Vice President of the Norwegian Storting. I can see a connection there in ancient Viking governments and they're obviously responding to our attempts to inflict Watterson and the Rodant on them. But surely Jersey and Guernsey have much looser connections, they're supposed to be our rivals? And the Chair of the Justice Select Committee? Why? And the Chairman or Ways and Means? Both UK MPs. And an MP for Orkney and Shetland? An MSP for East Kilbride? Oh, and the Great Nephew of Sophia Goulden. Who and who? A meaty list that will mean endless jollies in order for our great and good to respond in kind over the next 12 months, no doubt. Airmiles ahoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 The great nephew of Sophia Goulden. Astounding work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 The third vice president of Norway? Is that in lineage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Goulden Sophia Goulden (née Craine; 1833 – 1910) was the mother of Emmeline Pankhurst and is credited with having an important forming influence on her daughters’ political beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: The book, published by the University of Liverpool, is pretty sh!t when they make such statements then don't cite any kind of reference material or elaborate. The book just moves on, with no explanation. Manx National Heritage are another organisation who publish sh!t books. The Isle of Man has no academic credibility. If you've been to a top university, you really expect citations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: Hey Rog, I was just looking up the references made to 1976 and 1982 in A New History of the Isle of Man, Chapter: Economic History, 1836-1996, by Derek Winterbottom. Doesn't really explain much but it mentions in the first sentence: Quote In 1970 the Manx Government commissioned a firm of management consultants to produce a detailed inquiry into the economy, and this was published in 1971. Do you know where we can get a hold of this? And do you think it might be a good idea to commission a new inquiry into the same? At the risk of sounding like Barrie again, I suspect your best bet would be the Tynwald Library. Although more recent Reports appear online when they are presented to Tynwald, pre-internet stuff is just scans of the actual printed Hansard debates with none of the linked documents. Given that the Isle of Man Government now employs a whole Department to deal with the economy (the DfE) plus the Economic Affairs Division of the Cabinet Office, plus many people at the Treasury (back in the 70s there was literally no one), I would have thought they should be constantly producing reports on that very subject or at least able to bring one out showing their latest thinking straight away. Any general history is bound to skim over a lot and there's no obligation to provide references to something unless you quote or summarise from it. I suspect that Winterbottom didn't even look at it (assuming a copy exists) because like a lot of other expensive Manx Government reports, no one else took a blind bit of notice of it. You're right that A New History of the Isle of Man is a disaster zone of course. So far they've published (in order): Volume 5 (1830-1999) published 1999 Volume 1: Evolution of the Natural Landscape: Evolution of the Natural Landscape published 2007 Volume 3 (1000-1430) published 2015 Of course the first - and indeed to some extent the second - will now be out of date. But you can't blame MNH for that - it's a respectable old university that is responsible for it. I know some of the sections for it were produced by the authors years even decades before the relevant volume was published (or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 46 minutes ago, Sheldon said: If you've been to a top university, you really expect citations. I don't recall claiming to have been to university, let alone a top one. You must have me confused with another poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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