TheTeapot Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 hello hello hello, what's all this then? Quote This week some changes to how we police our community. Over the coming weeks you will see a greater visibility and police presence across the island. Please stop and say hello to your local officers when you see them on patrol. #neighbourhoodpolicing at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 We’ll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Emergency. Paging Dr Beat. Emergency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 In short the officers shifts have changed and they are now doing longer shifts so in theory there should be more of them on at any one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Except in the West of the Island where taxpayers have to wait 20 minutes for police to arrive from other parts of the island should anything happen during hours of darkness this week. No police there at all. Think I might demand money off my taxes. Heaven help me if I’m involved in a bad car crash, or my house is burgled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 They’ve gone to 12 hour shifts. just as significant research has panned them as dangerous, leading to one ambulance trust stopping them. https://aace.org.uk/news/sleep-studies-in-two-ambulance-trusts-highlights-dangers-of-fatigue/ I don’t think this will be universally popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 So it's the same amount of cops doing longer hours. How does that make more cops? Sounds like a play on words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Have they all gone to 12 hour shifts (ie supervisors and departments) or just the poor sods at the work face? I’ve heard that the organisation is so top heavy with ‘managers’ that maybe a few need to find a set of handcuffs and get out and about on these long shifts with the ‘troops’ to complement the numbers, instead of polishing desks. Isn’t that what happens in the UK @Derek Flint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, quilp said: So it's the same amount of cops doing longer hours. How does that make more cops? Sounds like a play on words. ( easy numbers for clarity ) say there are 24 police in total, and the day was 3 x 8 hour shifts, you had 8 coppers on duty per shift, ( ignoring holidays and sickness and off time ) now you have 2 x 12 hour shifts a day so you can have 12 coppers on duty per shift. but as tommo says, it isn't the best working practice for a few good reasons , in real terms you will see 10 coppers ( more than the starting point of 8 ) on duty for the 12 hour shift so there only needs to be 20 coppers working the day instead of 24. ( much simplified numbers but you get the idea ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: They’ve gone to 12 hour shifts. just as significant research has panned them as dangerous, leading to one ambulance trust stopping them. https://aace.org.uk/news/sleep-studies-in-two-ambulance-trusts-highlights-dangers-of-fatigue/ I don’t think this will be universally popular. I would presume though that there has been an increase in rest days as a result of the extra hours? No-one will be working more hours per se just longer shifts. I haven't heard any outcry so the prospect of more rest days must have been well received? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, WTF said: ( easy numbers for clarity ) say there are 24 police in total, and the day was 3 x 8 hour shifts, you had 8 coppers on duty per shift, ( ignoring holidays and sickness and off time ) now you have 2 x 12 hour shifts a day so you can have 12 coppers on duty per shift. but as tommo says, it isn't the best working practice for a few good reasons , in real terms you will see 10 coppers ( more than the starting point of 8 ) on duty for the 12 hour shift so there only needs to be 20 coppers working the day instead of 24. ( much simplified numbers but you get the idea ) Saving money for more Chief Inspector / Superintendent / Assistant Chief Constable salaries- I like it! “We’re winning!” said all those on the senior management promotion ladder....whilst all those doing the actual work get burnt out through picking up more work per head, work longer hours, have less time with their families, get physically and mentally worn down and ill.... sounds like someone at the top needs to give their head a shake and have a rethink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Call Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 A broken organisation. Lack of staff retention. Officers on bail for criminal offences. Unaccountable. The worst is yet to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wake Up Call said: A broken organisation. Lack of staff retention. Officers on bail for criminal offences. Unaccountable. The worst is yet to come. Clearly this is... (drum roll please) ...a wake up call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said: I would presume though that there has been an increase in rest days as a result of the extra hours? No-one will be working more hours per se just longer shifts. I haven't heard any outcry so the prospect of more rest days must have been well received? Not as such The 2am 2pm and 2 nights pattern gave 4 days off. It was a great system and was one reason CID became hard to recruit in to. There are 4 days off still, but recovery from 2 twelve hour nights will batter a lot of people. Noting the comments on top heaviness, this is a tricky one. The inspecting rank carry a lot of statutory responsibility. Above that it ebbs and flows according to the Chief's decree. The 12 month appointment of a DCC just before their retirement was particularly controversial and nobody could see the necessity. It took that individual from around £70k pa to over 100k (probably 120k) with the according lift.in pension provision. Currently 3 supers and 4 chief inspectors which is top heavy. And i have even argued against top loading even when it might have benefited me for a promotion. A chief, equivalent in the rank of Chief Supt with a 20% uplift pay wise is about the right level. Then a supt as a nominal Deputy, forming part of a senior cadre with another three chief inspectors would be more than adequate. 12 inspectors to carry the main burden and the statutory stuff that is day to day, such as custody. Also each has a portfolio eg Det Insp, Ops support, neighbourhoods (Douglas, out of town) Eight sgts for custody and eight for control room so there is enough for sickness and leave. They can also backfill street supervision where needed. District sgt in South, West, North. 5x Detective sgts. 1x RPU inspector 5 shift sergeants for Douglas and all island response and then the constables divided up between CID and Uniform, the latter having community teams in the districts. There are some other specialist bits but that is broadly the way I'd have had it. You can see though that it soon adds.up with rank. The telling thing will be recruitment and retention. I've.been told by two independent sources there are a good number actively looking to leave. The UK picture is little different on that front. Where the military seems to be getting in tune with generation Y I dont think the police have yet. Only time will tell. Hopefully the new plan will work but if it doesnt then the agility to accept that and try something else needs to be there. Hasnt always been the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Didn't the Constabulary recently experience something of an exodus to such as Airport Fire Services anyway? If so, sounds like there might have already been something of a retention problem without dumping 12hr shifts onto people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.