Gladys Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Taking control would have been trading with sensible mitigations, or at least getting a very modest payout while not being able to trade. Both of those options were taken away with the threat of legal action if ignored..........3 times. Whilst undoubtedly well intentioned, your post shows the same total lack of understanding that most others have. Peoples lives and businesses of 20 or 30 years have been absolutely decimated I understand that, but what is your solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: I understand that, but what is your solution? Letting people make their own decisions and evaluate their own risks. Dave the office worker could work from home on full pay but trevor the window cleaner couldn't stand on a ladder in someones garden with his mate at the bottom holding he ladder? Even though it was outdoors? Trevor has subsequently fallen into debt that he will never get out of. What about Sarah who runs a cafe? Diedre with the gym business? Gertrude the taxi driver? It was insane and with no logic behind it and there are people who will never recover (me included, but I am just another statistic that gets ignored amongst cases) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Ramseyboi said: Letting people make their own decisions and evaluate their own risks. Dave the office worker could work from home on full pay but trevor the window cleaner couldn't stand on a ladder in someones garden with his mate at the bottom holding he ladder? Even though it was outdoors? Trevor has subsequently fallen into debt that he will never get out of. What about Sarah who runs a cafe? Diedre with the gym business? Gertrude the taxi driver? It was insane and with no logic behind it and there are people who will never recover (me included, but I am just another statistic that gets ignored amongst cases) OK, that is what happened, but what would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Gladys said: I understand that, but what is your solution? A tablespoon of salt in a glass of water. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Gladys said: Yes, I thought it was quite appalling. The staff handled it well though. I cannot understand why people kick off in this way when, really, we are all in the same boat, may not like it, but the objective is to get boosters into arms, not get top marks for keeping to appointment times. It is the same on a Friday or Saturday when people argue with the security in pubs, I never understand it, they are not letting you in go somewhere else. There seems to be an entitlement for some people that they are right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, thommo2010 said: It is the same on a Friday or Saturday when people argue with the security in pubs, I never understand it, they are not letting you in go somewhere else. There seems to be an entitlement for some people that they are right. Like some posters on here! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 8 hours ago, NoTailT said: Is Mark Lewin the new Chief Secretary yet? Or what's his role now? Didn't watch the briefer. He seems to have been slotted into a new role that didn’t previously exist. My guess is that he is doing the stuff that the Chief Secretary hasn’t got the ability to do whilst being groomed to take over, quietly, some time in the near future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Gladys said: I understand that, but what is your solution? Simples. Pay freeze for 2 years at IOMG and same with all department budgets. Hiring freeze too. No government jollies off island ~ go green (see if they practise what they preach) and use video calls only. Same with all non-essential works.. i.e. £2m bridges or any other 'heritage' projects that are not about preservation (i.e. horse tram lines on prom with £1m traffic lights). Get the potholes fixed first. Over those two years, reset all department budgets to basic services & maintenance. Then lower capital project budget going forward by 20-30% minimum. Oh and bin off DBC, let them sink or swim on their own rates. No more cheap government loans. If they can afford £10,000's for statues they can pay their own way. Time to prune the government cash tree after the biggest upheaval since WWII. Otherwise, we'll watch taxes and other charges spiral to cover declining revenue as more and more businesses and households struggle with soaring inflation. The private sector lost lots of revenue and reserves they'll never see again so time for our IOMG to share the burden. Latest announcement shows they just want covid to go away now and return to business as usual, leaving the tax payer to pick up the pieces. If one was cynical, suggest the LFT only is about closing the Grandstand site to allow them to start work on the TT preperations. Hoping we'll conveniently forget all of the f* up's they allowed to happen. Time to share the pain I say. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: The private sector lost lots of revenue and reserves they'll never see again so time for our IOMG to share the burden. And yet many sectors of business have been expanding - the biggest issue often talked about being around the difficulty of recruitment and the skills shortage - especially tech. And there are so many great unexploited opportunities which the island could be moving into. This is a great place to be based. If there is too little money then the solution must certainly be to grow the economy (rather than effectively cutting it back). Obviously that means addressing the people shortage. Edited December 21, 2021 by pongo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, pongo said: And yet many sectors of business have been expanding - the biggest issue often talked about being around the difficulty of recruitment and the skills shortage - especially tech. And there are so many great unexploited opportunities which the island could be moving into. This is a great place to be based. If there is too little money then the solution must certainly be to grow the economy (rather than effectively cutting it back). Obviously that means addressing the people shortage. one of the biggest problems , and in particular with the DOI is that they have lost so many people from the front line , ,I believe at one time there were 370 in the workforce , tradesman semi skilled and people working on the roads , I was told yesterday this number has been reduced to around 80 , mainly people fed up with poor management terrible attitude ,towards blue collar workmen ,and its not a good place to work anymore , but the increase in headcount numbers has been more pen pushers ,and suits the ratio of worker to manager is completely out of kilter , there needs to be a complete review of staffing levels but not by bringing in their mates from Beamans consultants , ,Not just in the DOI but throughout government , and with a private sector that says there are skills shortages in admin and other areas , surely this is the time to off load a few into the real world . we must be at the stage when at least 1 person in every 4 working in the Isle of man is working or in some way funded by government and that is not sustainable by the rest of the working population 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, Omobono said: one of the biggest problems , and in particular with the DOI is that they have lost so many people from the front line , ,I believe at one time there were 370 in the workforce , tradesman semi skilled and people working on the roads , I was told yesterday this number has been reduced to around 80 , mainly people fed up with poor management terrible attitude ,towards blue collar workmen ,and its not a good place to work anymore , but the increase in headcount numbers has been more pen pushers ,and suits the ratio of worker to manager is completely out of kilter , there needs to be a complete review of staffing levels but not by bringing in their mates from Beamans consultants , ,Not just in the DOI but throughout government , and with a private sector that says there are skills shortages in admin and other areas , surely this is the time to off load a few into the real world . we must be at the stage when at least 1 person in every 4 working in the Isle of man is working or in some way funded by government and that is not sustainable by the rest of the working population Not just the roads. The classic cases are those who were knowledgeable and experienced with flooding, water & harbour management, Laxey being the latest debacle. Same for the railways and Trams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, CallMeCurious said: Simples. Pay freeze for 2 years at IOMG and same with all department budgets. Hiring freeze too. No government jollies off island ~ go green (see if they practise what they preach) and use video calls only. Same with all non-essential works.. i.e. £2m bridges or any other 'heritage' projects that are not about preservation (i.e. horse tram lines on prom with £1m traffic lights). Get the potholes fixed first. Over those two years, reset all department budgets to basic services & maintenance. Then lower capital project budget going forward by 20-30% minimum. Oh and bin off DBC, let them sink or swim on their own rates. No more cheap government loans. If they can afford £10,000's for statues they can pay their own way. Time to prune the government cash tree after the biggest upheaval since WWII. Otherwise, we'll watch taxes and other charges spiral to cover declining revenue as more and more businesses and households struggle with soaring inflation. The private sector lost lots of revenue and reserves they'll never see again so time for our IOMG to share the burden. Latest announcement shows they just want covid to go away now and return to business as usual, leaving the tax payer to pick up the pieces. If one was cynical, suggest the LFT only is about closing the Grandstand site to allow them to start work on the TT preperations. Hoping we'll conveniently forget all of the f* up's they allowed to happen. Time to share the pain I say. Simple to write but not to do. A freeze on pay and recruitment for Government employees includes everybody in frontline service delivery and the public would have to accept a reduction in services that would arise from 2 years plus recruitment lead-in times of turnover and natural wastage. In a society that has been dominated by the view that service delivery, enforcement, public asset maintenance and amenity provision should come from a directly- employed workforce and administered by the public sector, it is difficult to prune expenditure without impacting services. Factor in a political system where you have a lot of national politicians chasing not many votes and the acceptance of difficult and unpopular decisions is also difficult to secure, politically. So why you might say “simples” it is not going to happen, regardless of the merit of some of your suggestions. There needs to be a radical change in culture within Government and our politics to make significant cost cutting possible, let alone simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, pongo said: And yet many sectors of business have been expanding - the biggest issue often talked about being around the difficulty of recruitment and the skills shortage - especially tech. And there are so many great unexploited opportunities which the island could be moving into. This is a great place to be based. If there is too little money then the solution must certainly be to grow the economy (rather than effectively cutting it back). Obviously that means addressing the people shortage. A sensible option would be to use both approaches. There's no point in shipping the water out the front of the boat if you don't plug the leaks at the back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 He has clearly ditched the last script writers who made him like a wally on social media by using unscientific words and phrases. Kick the doom mongers to the kerb and get back to running an island again. Leave the public to police themselves and we can get back to generating more commerce to fill the coffers again. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, Danoo said: He has clearly ditched the last script writers who made him like a wally on social media by using unscientific words and phrases. Kick the doom mongers to the kerb and get back to running an island again. Leave the public to police themselves and we can get back to generating more commerce to fill the coffers again. Doomers are currently the biggest threat to the Island's continued prosperity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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