Mann O Mann Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) I saw in the interview with Crogga on IOM TV that they have been requesting for a meeting since JANUARY to have an all parties discussion to understand a way forward. That is absolutely unacceptable behaviour from a Government department. The sheer arrogance is astounding. @Stu Peters have you been told to keep you mouth shut from those on high as you are now part of the club! Feels more and more like the politburo. Edited June 23, 2023 by Mann O Mann 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonjamie Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 "'Mass austerity' the alternative to spending from reserves" Was this a nudge from Dr A/Treasury to DOI to pull their fingers out, we need that money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mann O Mann Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, toonjamie said: "'Mass austerity' the alternative to spending from reserves" Was this a nudge from Dr A/Treasury to DOI to pull their fingers out, we need that money? I very much doubt it . He is the Green Lord and known to be from the “leave it in the ground brigade “ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Mann O Mann said: I saw in the interview with Crogga on IOM TV that they have been requesting for a meeting since JANUARY to have an all parties discussion to understand a way forward. That is absolutely unacceptable behaviour from a Government department. The sheer arrogance is astounding. @Stu Peters have you been told to keep you mouth shut from those on high as you are now part of the club! Feels more and more like the politburo. Why don't they just use these regulations https://www.gov.uk/guidance/oil-and-gas-offshore-environmental-legislation Surely they don't think the little Isle of Man is going to draft all this lot up in a couple of weeks just for some tin pot company to drill a hole in the seabed. It will cost us 100s of thousand of pounds to do this. In the Isle of Man we don't even have regulations for the use of power tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 And even more https://www.hse.gov.uk/offshore/law.htm Its a veritable gas field when you think about it. It will take years to get stuff like this in place. The man in in cloud cuckoo land. I think its an excuse to bail out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 And even more https://www.iadc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Rules-and-Regulations-for-UK-Norwegian-Waters.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Mann O Mann said: I saw in the interview with Crogga on IOM TV that they have been requesting for a meeting since JANUARY to have an all parties discussion to understand a way forward. That is absolutely unacceptable behaviour from a Government department. The sheer arrogance is astounding. @Stu Peters have you been told to keep you mouth shut from those on high as you are now part of the club! Feels more and more like the politburo. No. But apart from being a supporter of the scheme I’m not involved in the nitty gritty, and I think IOMG (whilst also in favour) is simply ensuring that all safeguards are in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Happier diner said: And even more https://www.hse.gov.uk/offshore/law.htm Its a veritable gas field when you think about it. It will take years to get stuff like this in place. The man in in cloud cuckoo land. I think its an excuse to bail out And could you blame them? Maybe they expected IOMG to have a modicum of competency but after taking 6 months to get a face to face meeting decided that didn't bode well for negotiating a multi-million pound deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: No. But apart from being a supporter of the scheme I’m not involved in the nitty gritty, and I think IOMG (whilst also in favour) is simply ensuring that all safeguards are in place. And now it looks like they'll be bolting the stable after the horse has left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mann O Mann Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: No. But apart from being a supporter of the scheme I’m not involved in the nitty gritty, and I think IOMG (whilst also in favour) is simply ensuring that all safeguards are in place. Can you explain why they simply refuse to meet with Crogga ? You cannot ask your colleagues in DOI why this is ? As you are a supporter you don’t think it your business to get involved and find out about the nitty gritty! Seems like everyone is sitting on the sidelines on this one . The best way to move forward generally is to talk and discuss, which Crogga have wanted to do since January . But if the IOMG will not meet and discuss - my guess is the AG have said no one should talk to then as they are looking to vary the contract …… The AGs guidance has been proven to be absolutely rubbish . The real issue is that the MHKs are not applying common sense and listening to uncommercial rubbish from the AG. You and other MHKs represent the people of the IOM , not the government’s interests. Common sense needs to be applied . Not good enough . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 54 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said: And could you blame them? Maybe they expected IOMG to have a modicum of competency but after taking 6 months to get a face to face meeting decided that didn't bode well for negotiating a multi-million pound deal. Why would you have tomes of regulations that appertain to an activity that you do not, and never have, carried out. You seem to be in the same cloud cuckoo land as him. Why do you need regulations to do something? Surely regulations control or prohibit you doing something. It doesn't add up. It like saying I can't build a shed on my land because there are no planning regulations. Something is not adding up here. I think we should wait for an official government point by point rebuttal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mann O Mann said: Can you explain why they simply refuse to meet with Crogga ? That's a fair question? Surely they have met with them. Maybe they are fed up of telling them the same stuff. We don't know do we? The silence is deafening though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Why did Crogga need to vary the licence in the first place? Were they trying to dodge some of the responsibilities? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mann O Mann Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/isle-of-man-chamber-of-commerce_chamber-calls-for-more-government-action-activity-7077980667464052736-KaHR So we have a treasury minister taking 10% out of our reserves to cover operational costs and believes he will balance the books ! 93% of Chamber of commerce stating that they do not believe the Government Economic strategy will deliver . And a government unwilling to engage with a company that could potentially deliver £6.2 billion to its reserves and kick start the Isle of Man into a new era . It’s got Monty Python all over this . Don’t know whether to laugh or cry ….,,,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Mann O Mann said: £6.2 billion to its reserves That is the potential total value of the gas isn't it? Absolutely nowhere near all of that would end up in reserves. It is not net of costs. The way recent projects have gone we would probably end up paying from reserves to prop it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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