Tynwald Questions May 21st

[Moghrey Mie]

https://www.tynwald.org.im/spfile?file=/business/opqp/opqp/2024-PP-0069.pdf

[Andy Onchan]

I'm interested in the response to this question:

[Non-Believer]

Moorhouse digging into hospitality and airport parking matters too. Let's see what bullshit Crookall's minions invent and give him to answer in respect of the latter.

[The Phantom]

3 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

I'm interested in the response to this question:

Oh, I know this one!

Only a couple of years after the IOM Insurance Authority merged with the FSA.  Coincidence?

I think anyone would find that it is due to new rules and regulations that have been brought in by Govt (yes I know the FSA isn't really Govt, but it is) to make the Isle more 'attractive' to insurance business; with predictable results. 

Edited May 20 by The Phantom

[Roger Mexico]

A good example of what happens when you try to avoid answering questions comes with unlucky 13:

13. The Hon. Member for Douglas Central, Mr Thomas, to ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office –

When she will answer written Question W-202401-1054 about roles with annual remuneration above £100,000.

And what was this question:

As you can see the reply has only just been published (the date says Thursday, but I didn't see it there over the weekend), over two weeks late - and no doubt that wouldn't have happened without the Tynwald question.

Is the delay because they were carefully compiling and checking large amounts of complex data?  If you look at the answer, not quite:

I refer the Honourable Questioner to a previous written answer O-202301-0811 and also add that Departments and Statutory Boards are responsible for their own budgets and recruitment / staff composition.

Questions related to Annual Financial Statements including Accounts and Reporting in general should be directed to the Treasury.

Questions related to the staffing / grade profile and connected remuneration within Departments or the budgets of individual Departments / Statutory Boards, of the nature in the question tabled, should be addressed to those Departments / Statutory Boards for answer.

Cabinet Office is not the budget holder for Department’s, Statutory Board’s or Office’s spend on staffing / employee costs. Each Department, Statutory Board and Office is responsible for their own budget.  The Treasury and individual Departments, Statutory Boards or Offices are the holders of financial records and may be able to supply salary costs.

The references made in a) and b) are not recognised. The question perhaps refers to employing body and “stationed employer”. In any case, questions should be appropriately directed to each Department or Statutory Board / Manx Care.

So basically it's taken them a month to say "Fuck off!"

Of course the whole answer is insulting nonsense anyway and contradicts previous practice.  But when you're trying to prevent the public (or even MHKs) finding out how many civil servants are earning over £100,000 a year, none of this matters.  It will be interesting to see how much Tynwald is allowed to discuss any of this.

[Non-Believer]

Senior CS salaries are above reproach and questioning by the mere plebs who should know their place.

[Moghrey Mie]

7 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

A good example of what happens when you try to avoid answering questions comes with unlucky 13:

13. The Hon. Member for Douglas Central, Mr Thomas, to ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office –

When she will answer written Question W-202401-1054 about roles with annual remuneration above £100,000.

And what was this question:

As you can see the reply has only just been published (the date says Thursday, but I didn't see it there over the weekend), over two weeks late - and no doubt that wouldn't have happened without the Tynwald question.

Is the delay because they were carefully compiling and checking large amounts of complex data?  If you look at the answer, not quite:

I refer the Honourable Questioner to a previous written answer O-202301-0811 and also add that Departments and Statutory Boards are responsible for their own budgets and recruitment / staff composition.

Questions related to Annual Financial Statements including Accounts and Reporting in general should be directed to the Treasury.

Questions related to the staffing / grade profile and connected remuneration within Departments or the budgets of individual Departments / Statutory Boards, of the nature in the question tabled, should be addressed to those Departments / Statutory Boards for answer.

Cabinet Office is not the budget holder for Department’s, Statutory Board’s or Office’s spend on staffing / employee costs. Each Department, Statutory Board and Office is responsible for their own budget.  The Treasury and individual Departments, Statutory Boards or Offices are the holders of financial records and may be able to supply salary costs.

The references made in a) and b) are not recognised. The question perhaps refers to employing body and “stationed employer”. In any case, questions should be appropriately directed to each Department or Statutory Board / Manx Care.

So basically it's taken them a month to say "Fuck off!"

Of course the whole answer is insulting nonsense anyway and contradicts previous practice.  But when you're trying to prevent the public (or even MHKs) finding out how many civil servants are earning over £100,000 a year, none of this matters.  It will be interesting to see how much Tynwald is allowed to discuss any of this.

So much for one smoothly functioning government. It is still disjointed and working in silos.

[Roger Mexico]

41 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said:

So much for one smoothly functioning government. It is still disjointed and working in silos.

Oh it's working together in this case.  The only thing that unites them is preventing outsiders from knowing what is going on.

[Gizo]

I see Legco halting the democratic process on this island today in Tynwald. Preventing any further debate. 
Stu Peters was also involved in this sham. Doesn’t take long for him to suck the teet. 

[Albert Tatlock]

7 minutes ago, Gizo said:

I see Legco halting the democratic process on this island today in Tynwald. Preventing any further debate. 
Stu Peters was also involved in this sham. Doesn’t take long for him to suck the teet. 

Can you give some more detail?

[Two-lane]

C'mon Gizo, Giz'us the sauce.

 

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Gizo said:

I see Legco halting the democratic process on this island today in Tynwald. Preventing any further debate. 
Stu Peters was also involved in this sham. Doesn’t take long for him to suck the teet. 

It didn't pertain to Roger M's earlier prediction by any chance?

[Holte End]

11 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Can you give some more detail?

When the biggest teet sucker, Skelly says eight for, none against, stopping motions and questions, four of them looking for nine votes from Comin shortly. democracy at it's finest. 

[Moghrey Mie]

Can't help feeling the States of Jersey are well ahead of the House of Keys in communicating with the public.

And they start work at 9:30am.

https://statesassembly.public-i.tv/core/portal/home

 

[Roger Mexico]

On 5/21/2024 at 7:35 PM, Gizo said:

I see Legco halting the democratic process on this island today in Tynwald. Preventing any further debate. 
Stu Peters was also involved in this sham. Doesn’t take long for him to suck the teet. 

Glover was going on about this today and Manx Radio contact the MLCs who voted against who provided rather weedy and unconvincing reasons why they didn't vote to extend question time - as has been done every Tynwald and Keys since the last election.  It's actually worth looking at the vote - the Keys split 10-6 (quite a few hadn't got back from lunch but 4 of the 6 were CoMin and the other two Peters and Callister) to allow the remaining questions, but LegCo was 6-2 (Craine and Mercer the minority) against, so it failed.

As Glover says all the excuses about needing to get on to more 'important' business don't stack up.  There were only four questions left and despite the fact that Tynwald has three days set aside to discuss its business, they finished by half five on the first.  So maybe we should look at the questions they wanted to avoid:

Thomas, to ask the Vice Chair of Public Sector Pensions Authority:  What the findings of the first six-yearly cost sharing valuations of the public sector pension schemes were; how this information will be considered; when she expects to consult on the apportionment of cost changes resulting from the cost sharing; and when any amending schemes will come to Tynwald for approval. 

Edge, to ask a representative of the Tynwald Auditor General Selection Committee: When the first report of the Tynwald Auditor General will be laid before Tynwald; and what its content will be.

Thomas, to ask the Minister for Infrastructure:  When the Isle of Man Ferry Terminal in Liverpool will be ready for public use.

Moorhouse, to ask the Minister for Enterprise: Who has been appointed to undertake an aviation safety audit of the Crown Dependencies and when the Isle of Man audit will be carried out.

You suspect the third one might be particularly close to the bone.  The last two are also 'out of order' normally you expect the questions to a Minister to be all grouped together.