keyboarder Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Attitudes (presumably of car drivers?) are irrelevant. I do a bit of cycling, although I don't wear Lycra or shave my legs. I'd do a lot more if there was a safe cycle network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartT Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Attitudes (presumably of car drivers?) are irrelevant. I do a bit of cycling, although I don't wear Lycra or shave my legs. I'd do a lot more if there was a safe cycle network. Why? Instead of working out that you are actually safe on the roads, provided you make sure you are clearly visible, observe the rules of the road & allow for the idiots around you. You walk on the pavements don't you, but they're not segregated from the road are they? If you don't assert yourself, then these cardrivers will always have the attitude that they're in the right, & anyone who cycles is in the wrong. Introduce cycleways & you'll slow bikes down, reduce it to a purely 'leisure " status (rather than as a mode of transport) & make it more difficult for anyone who does ride on the road ("Bloody cyclists, should be on the cyclepaths"!!!) - perhaps even in their infinite wisdom Tynwald having made provisions for cyclists will then decide it should be illegal to cycle on the roads!! - then bang goes cycling for all of us who do it as a sport or for transport (anyway as I said this is not the place - refer to the MRC Website). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Because it would be a lot cheaper to restore the PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME back into a PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME than to build a new one. Not if the PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME then goes on to lose a shedload of money and it turns out the money would have been better spent on something more sensible, like sending dogs to neptune, for instance. therefore there could be a greater number of world class cyclists discovered due to the presence of better facilities. Also the uses of Velodrome riding are undisputable to other branches of the sport such as road racing, etc. Great. Is this actually of any benefit to wider society, or is having a PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME an end in its own right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 StuartT - "you really don't know much about velodromes." I really have to get that on a t-shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartT Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Because it would be a lot cheaper to restore the PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME back into a PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME than to build a new one. Not if the PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME then goes on to lose a shedload of money and it turns out the money would have been better spent on something more sensible, like sending dogs to neptune, for instance. therefore there could be a greater number of world class cyclists discovered due to the presence of better facilities. Also the uses of Velodrome riding are undisputable to other branches of the sport such as road racing, etc.Great. Is this actually of any benefit to wider society, or is having a PURPOSE BUILT VELODROME an end in its own right? If you'd seen the business plan then you'd know the benefits to wider society that were included in it - & that included the linking up with schools, etc. Perhaps you can explain the benefits to society of a stock car track which isn't even purpose built? (which incidentally will be the only part of the stadium which is affected by the changes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 If you'd seen the business plan then you'd know the benefits to wider society that were included in it - & that included the linking up with schools, etc. The question was what benefits do spotting (and having) more world class cyclists have for society, other than bestowing a fleeting sense of national esteem every now and again. Also, linking up with schools is not a benefit in itself, it's an application of the facilities, what real benefits do a velodrome offer? And by real I mean excluding intangible frivolities like having "world champion cyclists" and adding a modicum of variety to kids' sports lessons. Perhaps you can explain the benefits to society of a stock car track which isn't even purpose built? (which incidentally will be the only part of the stadium which is affected by the changes). I can't, which would really upset me if I'd been the one to propose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartT Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 If you'd seen the business plan then you'd know the benefits to wider society that were included in it - & that included the linking up with schools, etc. The question was what benefits do spotting (and having) more world class cyclists have for society, other than bestowing a fleeting sense of national esteem every now and again. Also, linking up with schools is not a benefit in itself, it's an application of the facilities, what real benefits do a velodrome offer? And by real I mean excluding intangible frivolities like having "world champion cyclists" and adding a modicum of variety to kids' sports lessons. Perhaps you can explain the benefits to society of a stock car track which isn't even purpose built? (which incidentally will be the only part of the stadium which is affected by the changes).I can't, which would really upset me if I'd been the one to propose it. Bread & Cirucuses & all that... One of the uses proposed was for training for cycling proficiency, etc. Could this be cited a potential benefit to society? A nation with a low self esteme is not a good one to live in really. One could ask precisely what is the benefit of anything for society as a whole? Usually anything of whatever nature purely enhances one minor facet of it. Therefore what is the point of it? OK then, what use would you propose for the Nivison Stadium which you feel would bring a wider benefit to society? & how would it bring that benefit? Can you suggest one major money spinner which will appeal to the masses if capital is important? Perhaps gladatorial combat & chariot races?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Bread & Cirucuses & all that... Not the best use of that particular reference, as it suggests the benefit of a velodrome is to distract and satisfy an apathetic public whilst the government wages war and evolves into a autocracy. One of the uses proposed was for training for cycling proficiency, etc. Could this be cited a potential benefit to society? Cycling proficiency surely doesn't require a velodrome - The absence of one didn't seem to make any difference to the execution of that scheme for the past twenty years. A nation with a low self esteme is not a good one to live in really. True, but how many nations base their concept on self worth on the skills of their champion cyclists? Do we as a nation have low self esteem, and if so is the best way of rectifying this a velodrome? One could ask precisely what is the benefit of anything for society as a whole? Usually anything of whatever nature purely enhances one minor facet of it. Therefore what is the point of it? Disingenuous and self defeating. If we accept this idea that any venture can only enhance one minor facet of society's well being, we then have little reason to put money into a velodrome over any other scheme, and your argument loses what power it has - why not then turn the site over to stock car racing/caber tossing/human sacrifice since it's all much of a muchness. Thankfully, that idea is simply wrong. Education, for instance has the capacity to improve more people's lives to a greater and broader degree than allowing a select few billies to compete at an international standard and offering little but another hobby to anyone else, as is similar with health care - why not sell the site to the highest bidder for development and plough the money into education/training schemes/healthcare? Then again, if this is too boring, cycling is hardly the most popular of sports, why not spend the money expanding and improving facilities for other, more popular sports - we may not produce any world champions, but we would be spending money in a way that more people will appreciate, which if not turning a profit, might at least stand a better chance of funding itself to a higher degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Can you suggest one major money spinner which will appeal to the masses if capital is important? Perhaps gladatorial combat & chariot races?? Speedway? (Do I win a prize?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germann Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Velodrome cycling is as boring as Nascar. Factomundo! They should blow the entire budget on getting the Tour de France to do a stage on the IoM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Who gives a monkey's how many medals the Isle of Man wins. Far better to use any available resources to instigate the creation of an island wide cycle path network - one that keeps cyclists segregated from the petrolheads. WTF - a cyclepath network is totally pointless in the IOM & is actually a hinderance to bike use rather than a compliment. The only specialist cycletracks there needs to be is those which run across the hills being unmade tracks open to cycle use. The only place for cyclists is on the road full stop. Oh, I don't know - cycle paths can be fun.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deejay Denzel Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Ok so lets sum up the possible income to add into the onchan residents rates.... 300 paying entrants to a stockcar meeting, paying participants for go-karting, football match fee's or.. 10 cyclists paying to use a velodrome I know what my money's on. Questions.... Can't the cyclists just ride round the angled bit that's there now? What's changed track-wise since it's original use as a velodrome? What revenue would it generate for the Onchan rate payer? Why was it stopped being used in the first place? I can answer this, due to lack of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Ok so lets sum up the possible income to add into the onchan residents rates.... 300 paying entrants to a stockcar meeting, paying participants for go-karting, football match fee's or.. 10 cyclists paying to use a velodrome I doubt the stockcars generate money for Onchan - they just pay to hire the venue surely. The site WAS a velodrome. You can't think of a more suitable venue on that basis. Plus Onchan ratepayers pay f**k all in rates anyway so what is your beef? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sideways Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Ok so lets sum up the possible income to add into the onchan residents rates.... 300 paying entrants to a stockcar meeting, paying participants for go-karting, football match fee's or.. 10 cyclists paying to use a velodrome I doubt the stockcars generate money for Onchan - they just pay to hire the venue surely. The site WAS a velodrome. You can't think of a more suitable venue on that basis. Plus Onchan ratepayers pay f**k all in rates anyway so what is your beef? The stock cars pay rent on the stadium to the commisioners ... money into onchan pot. I need to look into what a velodrome is to be sure of my facts so all i'll say is when kids spent there time in the big outdoors riding around on thier pushbikes the facility stopped being used due to lack of interest , how do you expect to get any Real interest in it now in the computer/convenient society? I smell another manx white elephant... at the cost of others. And my rates are not F..K all thank you very much !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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