When Skies Are Grey Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Love the fact that mention of a £5.6m loss next time around should be seen as some sort of good thing. Stop spending what we haven't got for fuck's sake!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 if we are getting to a stage with the buses where we just cannot simply provide any sort of reasonable service at all, isn’t it time now to look at alternative means of service delivery? Seeing as we're still pissing money away - MONORAIL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Albert, I couldn't agree more.... We have benefited, until several years ago, from a boom period when even politicians of the low calibre of the majority of ours could not really get it too wrong. Rather than take a long term view they took the easy way out which is why we now have the 'bloat' in terms of sheer numbers of Govt employees as well as the (too) favourable contracts under which they are employed. And rather than be discrete about the way we have benefited from that boom they instead trumpeted, in their arrogance, about us never having it so good. That the UK Treasury decided as a result to give a little more scrutiny to the VAT sharing agreement was entirely predictable. Thus as you say, not only are many of them the architects of our impending demise, but they are hopelessly inadequately equipped to lead us out of the mess they helped create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Holy crap! how? But the good news is it will be down to £5.6 mill this year http://www.energyfm.net/cms/news_story_281834.html The accounts of the Public Transport Directorate of DCCL do not separate the bus operations deficit from Steam, Electric and Snaefell Railways operations, and management and other overhead costs are shared across the facilities. Public transport in total cost £14.1 million in 2012-13 and generated £4.5 million of income, leading to a deficit of £9.6 million. Mr Teare reported that DCCL informed him that the deficit of bus operations in 2013-14 will be approximately £5.6 million. This is clever wording. The larger loss of £9.6m is for "public transport in total". The reduced deficit of £5.6m is for "bus operations". The £4m saving seems to have disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Can we please CALM DOWN A loss of 5m ins one department is a small amount - Our leaders are looking to save more like 100m. What I want to see is what action our Glorious Leader is going to take and when. Jumping up and down over this trifle is going to give some of you high blood pressure. Please stick to constructive suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorta Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 A mate of mine in the bus garage says they have a box into which all the money they find down the backs if the seats is put. And management has made them hand it over to offset running costs. It generates about six hundred quid a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Look after the pennies...and the pounds will look after themselves...as me Nan used to say A loss of 5m ins one department is a small amount - Our leaders are looking to save more like 100m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Beat me to it WSAG - stunned is not the word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The accounts of the Public Transport Directorate of DCCL do not separate the bus operations deficit from Steam, Electric and Snaefell Railways operations, and management and other overhead costs are shared across the facilities. Public transport in total cost £14.1 million in 2012-13 and generated £4.5 million of income, leading to a deficit of £9.6 million. Mr Teare reported that DCCL informed him that the deficit of bus operations in 2013-14 will be approximately £5.6 million.This is clever wording. The larger loss of £9.6m is for "public transport in total". The reduced deficit of £5.6m is for "bus operations". The £4m saving seems to have disappeared. Doesn't it mean Teare is getting the retribution in first? The buses are expected to lose £5.6m next year. Well, according to the current projections anyway. The rest are expected to lose how much I wonder? And which has the biggest figure in brackets and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Back on sale by popular demand - get them while you're angry: http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/54013-for-sale-25000-pitchforks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The bus service costs about £175 per head for every single resident on the IOM! This is a perfect example where services, which are provided at a vastly subsidized price and paid through general taxation, just explode in costs. There is no way people would accept the service if they knew what they were actually paying. But they only see the cost of the ticket - the hundred and whatever pounds they are actually paying via their PAYE slip etc is hidden. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 WSAG and Mission Listen to Chris Thomas 1. Do we need public transport? 2. If so how much are we prepared/able to spend? Until we have answers we cant do much. My suggestion of shutting it all down, lock stock and barrel still seems like an option. Forget the kiddies who cant walk 100 yards to school and the pensioners who live in houses costing over £m in the sticks. Just do it. Give each village a few minibuses and let them get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Were they just too dimwitted to see the warnings? As taxi drivers, bank clerks, postmen and chimney sweeps were they just not cut out to lead a 'business' with £600M plus turnover? The answer is 'yes'. Some harsh decisions need to be made, but these are clearly not the people that should be dealing with these issues. There will be an almighty financial readjustment required in a very few years time...let's just hope we have people around then who can help us deal with it. I have a feeling, that the age Bell is now, that he and his cohorts will leave nothing but one major mess to sort out behind them. Let's hope for all our sakes, it results in a major turnabout of how politics on this island is viewed, as we collectively pay the price for this incompetence. What's the answer then AT? How is that political party / group that you were looking into coming along, have you met up with other like-minded people yet or has it been put on the backburner? Not trolling, genuine questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The detail is in the Government Accounts here http://www.gov.im/media/468478/2012-13_doc_lbb_section_all_v1.0.pdf pages 42 & 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 But we are the 8th richest nation on the planet so we can afford it no problem boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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