commish Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 It would be interesting to gauge public opinion about whether John Shimmin's resignation should have been accepted..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Based on my own personal dealings with him I firmly believe that John Shimmin only has his own interests at heart. I wouldn't trust him with looking after a house plant. Can you guess which way I voted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOMRS97 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Funny you should say that Mojo - that makes it 100% so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurricanII Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Anyone in Govt who supported the Sefton loans without asking the shareholders (owners) to pay up instead should go. And too, those who didn't bother speaking to multimillionaire hoteliers who were in a position to buy the Sefton without job losses, before jumping in with the public's cheque book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I think it's naive to blame politicians when it's civil servants who really run the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Agree it appears to have been a massive cock up by civil servants and the governments legal advisers and that there doesn't appear to have been the urgency alleged at the time as justification. However ministers are politically responsible for their officials and departmental actions, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louis Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Do we know it was the civil servants fault? Perhaps it was forced through by the "honourable members" in Comin against advice from the civil service and their lawyers. Only a full public inquiry will resolve the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Is it a case of ministers panicing and setting an expectancy that the deal will have to go through and quickly and the CS getting it wrong under that pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Shimmin is but one rotten apple in a barrel of rotten apples over this issue - and many other financial issues. One resignation is but tokenism in a failed system with no honesty or integrity. Though the ex P.E. teacher should get down and give us at least 1,650,000 press-ups for this. It's time to get the auditors in, make the PAC independent and to introduce financial accountability and to make people aware of the consequences of being unaccountable. If it were warmer here - our main export would be bananas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannin1 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 All Shimmin was offering was his position of Minister and not as an MHK so he is proving what is wrong with our political system. Patronage has no part to play in a truly democratic system and should be stopped now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Errr.... Didn't they break the law by giving a private company public money under what has now been proven to be false pretences? In any other jurisdiction they'd be having their collars felt by the boys in blue. Where's the Governor in all of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossils Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Are there any other failing businesses out there that can't fulfill their VAT and Nat. Ins. Payments commitments? Apply now to Comin Loans who will settle your outstanding bills (in the best interests of the ratepayers, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I find Shimmin to be a genuine person. It is the civil servants who pull the strings; they have salaries well in excess, as much as double, that of the minister. Politicians come and go while these people continue on about their merry way. The minister can only speak, make decisions and act based on the cherry-picked information handed to them by these civil servants and their underlings. The minister is a teleprompter reader who memorises the talking points for radio interviews, takes credit when things go right, gets the blame when things go wrong, while the people who give them the talking points and influence them and pull the wool over their eyes remain in power and continue on their ridiculously high salaries regardless of the consequences of what they do with taxpayers' money. But I do agree, the politicians need to start getting smart, maybe even a spine, and not be pressured by their bosses in the civil service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 My concern is with the Chief Minister & the current Treasury Minister. He would no doubt have had to sign this deal off in its finality along with Mr. Teare, the Treasury Minister. It has now been proven to be an unlawful act and the buck must stop at the top. I can't help but feel that Mr. Shimmin is being played as a patsy here. There are others in that circle of trust who should be slightly worried by these findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock Puppet 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Agree it appears to have been a massive cock up by civil servants and the governments legal advisers and that there doesn't appear to have been the urgency alleged at the time as justification. However ministers are politically responsible for their officials and departmental actions, A cock up? I think that is putting a whitewash spin on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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