trmpton Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I get that would work with your personal setup, but it wouldn't for everyone. What do you mezzanine by "fancying around"? It's easy to disable any phone moving faster than a walking pace, but as I first asked, how do you know if it's the driver or a passenger? Jesus, it was hmjust a suggestion. I haven't looked in detail into how you make sure it's the drivers phone but I am sure they could work it out. Easy if only one phone recognised. There is technology that would let you know where a phone was in the vehicle (beacons and triangulation) so maybe use that and only allow it to work if not in drivers area. In that case even the drivers phone could work as long as it was passed to the passenger. "Fancying around" = typo autocorrect version of fannying, probably similar to "mezzanine" 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I kinda guessed the typo but just wanted to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding. Never drive with my phone in my pocket, it's too big these days. Generally rests in the centre consol or passenger seat. Detecting that was the drivers phone would be difficult. What would be recognising the one phone? Bluetooth again? Apple is being sued because it had a patent on disabling phones in cars but hadn't implemented it, presumably because of the difficulty in separating the drivers phone from passengers phones. Someone was killed by a driver using their iPhone so the family are suing Apple. I think if it was easy to do it would possibly have been done by now, or at least an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I kinda guessed the typo but just wanted to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding. Never drive with my phone in my pocket, it's too big these days. Generally rests in the centre consol or passenger seat. Detecting that was the drivers phone would be difficult. What would be recognising the one phone? Bluetooth again? Apple is being sued because it had a patent on disabling phones in cars but hadn't implemented it, presumably because of the difficulty in separating the drivers phone from passengers phones. Someone was killed by a driver using their iPhone so the family are suing Apple. I think if it was easy to do it would possibly have been done by now, or at least an option. I think you are over complicating. It's pretty safe to assume the passengers phone isn't in the centre console, and if in use it will be either in the passenger area or driver area. Phones can be tracked to the mm so it's really not hard to block in the drivers seat. Anyway, like I said, was only a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 ... Never drive with my phone in my pocket, it's too big these days... Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Phones can be tracked to the mm... Really? What's the tech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sniffer-dog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Aren't the interwebs great! A mere couple of minutes searching realises (source) : So doesn't look like sub-cm positioning is feasible, even with additional technology/sensors deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I kinda guessed the typo but just wanted to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding. Never drive with my phone in my pocket, it's too big these days. Generally rests in the centre consol or passenger seat. Detecting that was the drivers phone would be difficult. What would be recognising the one phone? Bluetooth again? Apple is being sued because it had a patent on disabling phones in cars but hadn't implemented it, presumably because of the difficulty in separating the drivers phone from passengers phones. Someone was killed by a driver using their iPhone so the family are suing Apple. I think if it was easy to do it would possibly have been done by now, or at least an option. Transpose 'gun' for 'phone' and would that be acceptable??? It's there for your attention grabbing, for your use. While driving, your attention should be on the road and conditions. Even asking your passenger to answer your phone could be a distraction as you think about the call and your response to it. Even your passenger answering a call could be a distraction as you listen in to their call? It boils down to.... NO phones to be answered in a car, no matter to whom the call is directed. edit. If the law were altered to dis-allow ANY phone calls within a car, that would solve the problem of the eejits who do an emergency stop on a zebra crossing to answer their phone. No one else been annoyed by these people? I doubt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Eh? My current phone is too big to comfortably be in my jeans pocket when I'm driving so I generally toss it on the passenger seat. I don't answer it. I don't fiddle with it. My attention is on my driving. Don't know why you think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Phones can be tracked to the mm so it's really not hard to block in the drivers seat.. No they can't. If it wasn't hard it would likely have been done by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Aren't the interwebs great! A mere couple of minutes searching realises (source) : So doesn't look like sub-cm positioning is feasible, even with additional technology/sensors deployed. A lot of wrong information there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 @GD4 Come on, we have an opportunity for a mildly interesting discussion here - don't just leave it like that! I respect your knowledge and experience of general EM tech and systems and would welcome the opportunity to learn a bit more about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 So looks like the tech to disable texts etc is, sort of, coming with iOS 11. people can bypass it though and sure enough the sort of whoppers who dick about on their phones while they are driving now are the same tools that will disable it. https://www.macrumors.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-do-not-disturb-while-driving/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 On 20/03/2017 at 7:39 PM, craggy_steve said: Actually the Information Comissioner has explicitly published his opinion on the personal use of dashcams to report "poor driving". Basically if the dashcam is personally owned and used for personal domestic purposes then there is no need for the owner to register with the Information Commissioner - https://www.inforights.im/information-centre/data-protection/data-protection-guidance-for-individuals/surveillance-technology-cctv/ However ... the news report doesn't tell us that the dashcam was privately owned, installed for purposes other than the recording of bad driving, mounted in a privately owned vehicle, which was not at the time being used for business purposes. If any of those four is not true then it would be possible that the owner of the dashcam needed to be registered with the Information Commissioner for the purpose, and display appropriate warnings visible from outside the vehicle, or was otherwise in breach of the DPA. Personally If I was "the Police" I'd be very wary of accepting this type of evidence without assurance that the images were gathered lawfully. If I were the chap who has just been penalised I'd be very tempted to report the matter to the Information Commissioner. I wondered how the "stupid idiot parking" sites on Facebook land in regard DP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 40 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said: I wondered how the "stupid idiot parking" sites on Facebook land in regard DP Establishing chain of custody for dashcam evidence would also seem to be, for a non-expert such as myself, an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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