Bicycles on the one way mountain

[Bellefield]

I don't cycle during TT, the roads are just too chaotic, not worth the risk, regardless of how good I look in Lycra.

[gettafa]

11 hours ago, hboy said:

Bring back Gee Cee, manxtaxpayer, the sick moon, and the speed limit idiot - they were much better angry negative TT ranters that La Colombe. 

 

Oh, there's a few more: eg Evil Goblin, Militant Dog Owner and the rather short-lived Chairman of the Board

[Roger Mexico]

15 hours ago, wrighty said:

18 hours ago, Gizo said:

Only in the iom do the police warn cyclists not to use the mountain road as it's a bit stupid, yet they are more than happy to let motorbikes and cars travel over it in excess of 120mph. Where is the logic? 

The police don't make the law, they just enforce it. So as our legislators refuse to think about speed limits, they're doing what they can to keep the body count down. 

Of course the decision to make the Mountain one-way is also legislative in the end as well and I don't think anyone is blaming the police on this one.  But the real question is whether it is working.or not.  For the number of visitors to the TT and especially the number of bikers, are there more accidents or fewer since the one-way rule was introduced in 2007?  Are there more deaths outside of the racing and are injuries more or less serious?

This doesn't just apply to the Mountain section of course.  Given that the theory is that bikers will 'let off steam' there and so behave better elsewhere, you would hope to have seen a reduction in both the number and the severity of accidents involving them elsewhere on the Island.

It should be possible to assess this with ten years' worth of potential data, but there seems to be an unwillingness to put numbers on anything connected with the TT.  One of the (many) shocking things about the DED evidence over Vision9 was they appeared to not even have an idea of how many people come over for it by year. 

[llap]

16 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Why should cyclists pay road tax?

Why should they not?

[BigDave]

52 minutes ago, llap said:

Why should they not?

Because:

1 - The amount of vehicle excise duty collected does not cover the full costs of the road network - the rest is made up from general taxation. So any taxpayer is paid up, including pedestrians (who get a special little lane reserved just for them I might add).

2 - Many cyclists are also motorists, and will also have paid vehicle excise duty for the privilege of leaving their car at home whilst they cycle.

3 - Apart from heavy breathing, sweating and flatulence, cycling is zero emission.

4 - A pedal cycle causes virtually zero wear and tear on the road surface compared to even the smallest lightest cars.

In essence, everyone who has paid any amount of any tax to the IOM Government has chipped in something towards the road network, so pretty much everyone has already paid. Motor vehicles pollute more and cause substantially more wear and tear, increasing maintenance costs so it's perfectly fair that the use of a motor vehicle attracts more taxation than walking or cycling.

[woody2]

27 minutes ago, BigDave said:

Because:

1 - The amount of vehicle excise duty collected does not cover the full costs of the road network - the rest is made up from general taxation. So any taxpayer is paid up, including pedestrians (who get a special little lane reserved just for them I might add).

2 - Many cyclists are also motorists, and will also have paid vehicle excise duty for the privilege of leaving their car at home whilst they cycle.

3 - Apart from heavy breathing, sweating and flatulence, cycling is zero emission.

4 - A pedal cycle causes virtually zero wear and tear on the road surface compared to even the smallest lightest cars.

In essence, everyone who has paid any amount of any tax to the IOM Government has chipped in something towards the road network, so pretty much everyone has already paid. Motor vehicles pollute more and cause substantially more wear and tear, increasing maintenance costs so it's perfectly fair that the use of a motor vehicle attracts more taxation than walking or cycling.

but cyclists are poor as they can't afford to buy a car, so will pay no tax......

[kevster]

Closed again - jogger this time!

[slinkydevil]

Lol!

[Tarne]

A fucking jogger? That's taking the piss. What an utter fucktard

[La Colombe]

Is it illegal to walk on the mountain road?

[Chutney]

Isn't it the authorities responsibility to ensure the roads are safe for all users. Be it cars, motorcyclists, cyclists or pedestrians ?  Or is there legislation in place to prevent certain users at this time of year ?

If it's allowed I'd like to see someone take a horse across, that'd be a larf. 

[Tarne]

It's open again now. The police "Advised them" off the Mountain.  

[Shake me up Judy]

What next ? A circus troupe in full costume and make-up ? A unicyclist, four clowns thumbing a lift ?

[Tarne]

Shut again due to sheep

"The sheep have come back, and they have increased their numbers."

So basically the sheep are sand people. 

[Shake me up Judy]

Sure it wasn't one of those performance cars, a Lamborghini ?