woody2 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 was it last year someone got time for been on the track.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaps Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The OP La Columbe makes an interesting point. Ordinarily, if people were driving/riding like idiots at double the motorway speed limit on a normal mountain pass, the police would be keen to speak to those people for help with their enquiries, but here, instead, the police advise ordinary road users to keep out of the way of the nutters so they can have their fun. It's definitely an interesting take on things. I think it shows how reckless, dangerous speed is so ingrained into our national psyche that even the police think it's fine, indeed they are instructed to allow it by political policy. I really do think the no speed limit thing is getting harder to justify. With regard to cyclists; hell there's no way I'd go up there in TT week. I've never been up there at all on a bicycle, anytime. But... it's just a road, isn't it? If it's not a road, then it should be closed off and used like a track day, for a fee and insurance waiver. If it is a road, then anyone can use it, car,van, motorhome, bicycle, whatever. Is it time for our politicians to decide what it actually is? Clearly the one-way 'safety measure' thing is being misused as a free-for-all track day. Slightly off topic, but there's a couple of troll arseholes on here who like to gob off about 'bloody cyclists'. They're not the only ones - it's a common thing on social media. I can kind of understand it in big cities where they're going through red lights and stuff, but driving round here, I'm held up by cyclists probably the least of anything at all. Today, I was at the St Ninians traffic lights for fookin' ages. We eventually get near the front, lights go green, and THREE cars get to go before they change. I was there long enough to hear 3 songs on the radio. Do I gob off on social media? No. It's just part of driving. Getting off stop signs can take ages with the weight of traffic (Saddle Road, anyone?). Do I gob off on forums about all and sundry? No. How about "Bloody BUSES! Stopping every 50 yards to let arrogant prick passengers on board, WHO DON'T EVEN PAY ROAD TAX!!" No, of course not. If I did, everyone would think I was a total knob. But cyclists.... Now, they're a game target - why? They don't hold you up more than other stuff. A few seconds at most. I think there's something really sinister about the hate-preaching aimed at cyclists. It's like a persecution of a minority. The language used is really nasty 'They deserve to go under the wheels' etc. If a car holds you up, it's OK, because I'm in a car too, we're the majority, but a "Bloody Cyclist'!!" I just don't get it, but I do know it's very unpleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachBoy Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, flaps said: The OP La Columbe makes an interesting point. Ordinarily, if people were driving/riding like idiots at double the motorway speed limit on a normal mountain pass, the police would be keen to speak to those people for help with their enquiries, but here, instead, the police advise ordinary road users to keep out of the way of the nutters so they can have their fun. It's definitely an interesting take on things. I think it shows how reckless, dangerous speed is so ingrained into our national psyche that even the police think it's fine, indeed they are instructed to allow it by political policy. I really do think the no speed limit thing is getting harder to justify. With regard to cyclists; hell there's no way I'd go up there in TT week. I've never been up there at all on a bicycle, anytime. But... it's just a road, isn't it? If it's not a road, then it should be closed off and used like a track day, for a fee and insurance waiver. If it is a road, then anyone can use it, car,van, motorhome, bicycle, whatever. Is it time for our politicians to decide what it actually is? Clearly the one-way 'safety measure' thing is being misused as a free-for-all track day. Slightly off topic, but there's a couple of troll arseholes on here who like to gob off about 'bloody cyclists'. They're not the only ones - it's a common thing on social media. I can kind of understand it in big cities where they're going through red lights and stuff, but driving round here, I'm held up by cyclists probably the least of anything at all. Today, I was at the St Ninians traffic lights for fookin' ages. We eventually get near the front, lights go green, and THREE cars get to go before they change. I was there long enough to hear 3 songs on the radio. Do I gob off on social media? No. It's just part of driving. Getting off stop signs can take ages with the weight of traffic (Saddle Road, anyone?). Do I gob off on forums about all and sundry? No. How about "Bloody BUSES! Stopping every 50 yards to let arrogant prick passengers on board, WHO DON'T EVEN PAY ROAD TAX!!" No, of course not. If I did, everyone would think I was a total knob. But cyclists.... Now, they're a game target - why? They don't hold you up more than other stuff. A few seconds at most. I think there's something really sinister about the hate-preaching aimed at cyclists. It's like a persecution of a minority. The language used is really nasty 'They deserve to go under the wheels' etc. If a car holds you up, it's OK, because I'm in a car too, we're the majority, but a "Bloody Cyclist'!!" I just don't get it, but I do know it's very unpleasant. But they go through red lights, ride on pavements. They also sacrifice babies and eat puppies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 8 hours ago, flaps said: Slightly off topic, but there's a couple of troll arseholes on here who like to gob off about 'bloody cyclists'. They're not the only ones - it's a common thing on social media. I can kind of understand it in big cities where they're going through red lights and stuff, but driving round here, I'm held up by cyclists probably the least of anything at all. Today, I was at the St Ninians traffic lights for fookin' ages. We eventually get near the front, lights go green, and THREE cars get to go before they change. I was there long enough to hear 3 songs on the radio. Do I gob off on social media? No. It's just part of driving. Getting off stop signs can take ages with the weight of traffic (Saddle Road, anyone?). Do I gob off on forums about all and sundry? No. How about "Bloody BUSES! Stopping every 50 yards to let arrogant prick passengers on board, WHO DON'T EVEN PAY ROAD TAX!!" No, of course not. If I did, everyone would think I was a total knob. But cyclists.... Now, they're a game target - why? They don't hold you up more than other stuff. A few seconds at most. I think there's something really sinister about the hate-preaching aimed at cyclists. It's like a persecution of a minority. The language used is really nasty 'They deserve to go under the wheels' etc. If a car holds you up, it's OK, because I'm in a car too, we're the majority, but a "Bloody Cyclist'!!" I just don't get it, but I do know it's very unpleasant. That isn't off topic at all, it's pretty much the point I'm making. The police warning singling out cyclists to apparently deal with a non problem seems to do nothing but pander to the rabid anti cycling agenda that you describe. It legitimises it, if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I find the "They don't pay road tax" argument hilarious. All roads are maintained out of general taxation so anyone who pays tax, whether they use the roads or not pays for them. You may as well use the argument that anyone who doesn't buy cigarettes and pay the relevant duty should not be entitled to use the roads...it's as valid as the road tax argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said: I find the "They don't pay road tax" argument hilarious. All roads are maintained out of general taxation so anyone who pays tax, whether they use the roads or not pays for them. You may as well use the argument that anyone who doesn't buy cigarettes and pay the relevant duty should not be entitled to use the nhs...it's as valid as the road tax argument. fixed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I cycle to and from work (Port Erin to Douglas) most days and will continue to do so during TT but I wouldn’t go near the Mountain and try to avoid the rest of the circuit too. In fairness; I probably wouldn’t get very far before I had to get off and push and I don’t wear Lycra. The mountain should be restricted to motorised vehicles whilst it is one way; not the sort of thing that I would ordinarily support but it is clearly a few militant morons who give the rest of us a bad name that go up there and risk contributing to serious collisions; no one ‘needs’ to go up the Mountain; I suspect that the coast road would be quicker. I would be happy to pay road tax for my bike when the government puts some effort into considering the needs of cyclists on the road. Cycle lanes would be fantastic but I’m not daft enough to think that will happen in the near future; paying attention to the road surface on the near side would be lovely; I regularly have to swerve to avoid pot holes and man holes (and the occasional arse hole who doesn’t look before crossing) and the condition of the tarmac can be so broken up that it slows me down by about 5mph on the flat which is significant over a 15 mile journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, The Lurker said: The mountain should be restricted to motorised vehicles whilst it is one way; not the sort of thing that I would ordinarily support but it is clearly a few militant morons who give the rest of us a bad name that go up there and risk contributing to serious collisions; no one ‘needs’ to go up the Mountain; I suspect that the coast road would be quicker. Roger Mexico suggests why it can't be so here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, The Lurker said: I cycle to and from work (Port Erin to Douglas) most days and will continue to do so during TT but I wouldn’t go near the Mountain and try to avoid the rest of the circuit too. In fairness; I probably wouldn’t get very far before I had to get off and push and I don’t wear Lycra. The mountain should be restricted to motorised vehicles whilst it is one way; not the sort of thing that I would ordinarily support but it is clearly a few militant morons who give the rest of us a bad name that go up there and risk contributing to serious collisions; no one ‘needs’ to go up the Mountain; I suspect that the coast road would be quicker. I would be happy to pay road tax for my bike when the government puts some effort into considering the needs of cyclists on the road. Cycle lanes would be fantastic but I’m not daft enough to think that will happen in the near future; paying attention to the road surface on the near side would be lovely; I regularly have to swerve to avoid pot holes and man holes (and the occasional arse hole who doesn’t look before crossing) and the condition of the tarmac can be so broken up that it slows me down by about 5mph on the flat which is significant over a 15 mile journey. top post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, The Lurker said: I would be happy to pay road tax for my bike when the government puts some effort into considering the needs of cyclists on the road. If you are going to go down this route then perhaps instead of a tax cyclists pay a licence fee per year. The licence could be endorsable and revocable so they think twice about shooting lights or riding on the pavement. As a cyclist I'd be happy to go along with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, The Duck of Atholl said: If you are going to go down this route then perhaps instead of a tax cyclists pay a licence fee per year. The licence could be endorsable and revocable so they think twice about shooting lights or riding on the pavement. As a cyclist I'd be happy to go along with that Nothing wrong with that proposal. As long as the local plod give us the same protection as they do motorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Excellent post Lurker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Excellent attempt to dodge the fact that cyclists should pay road tax just like everyone else. Car drivers don't have the luxury of non payment just because the roads are full of pot holes, or arse holes wearing lycra getting in the way all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, llap said: Excellent attempt to dodge the fact that cyclists should pay road tax just like everyone else. Car drivers don't have the luxury of non payment just because the roads are like Cydonia. You don't pay road tax, you pay vehicle tax. Do keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Neil Down said: You don't pay road tax, you pay vehicle tax. Do keep up It's a road tax because you're not taxed for a vehicle that is not on a public road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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