llap Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 So have you actually watched it or are you going to let others spoon fed you their biased and erroneous reviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsnight Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I saw it when it first came out. It is utter garbage to use your own term. It's on YouTube so anyone can access it and make up their own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 47 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said: Might as well give up trying then. You're such defeatist woolley. Remember what Bieber and Ariana taught you last night? Emphatically not, Porky. The work that has been done is absolutely fascinating. I adore relativity and I am always ready to be engaged by anyone smart enough to try to further our understanding, although there has been nobody since Einstein fit to lick his boots. Of course we should never give up on the quest for knowledge about the nature of our existence. However, I am happy to denounce those who, in possession of the tiniest fragment of knowledge that we have, would seek to make the illogical quantum leap and assert as fact their own theory of everything, or deny the veracity of the beliefs of others. We just don't know is the honest answer, but in the meantime society cannot put up with the more unpleasant and dangerous manifestations of the beliefs held by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 As I see it there is not much you can do. You can't have a rational debate with someone who believes in a God or "Spirit" type of thing where there is simply no evidence in support of their belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, newsnight said: I saw it when it first came out. It is utter garbage to use your own term. It's on YouTube so anyone can access it and make up their own mind. Of course the documentary is garbage and the final Q&A utterly retarded. But it does include genuine examples of academic suppression in science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, NoTail said: As I see it there is not much you can do. You can't have a rational debate with someone who believes in a God or "Spirit" type of thing where there is simply no evidence in support of their belief. Why not? I have no problem debating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsnight Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 https://ncse.com/news/2011/06/expelled-block-006695 'The high bidder will become the owner of the movie that The New York Times (2008 Apr 18) described as "[o]ne of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time ... a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry ... an unprincipled propaganda piece that insults believers and nonbelievers alike" and that was denounced by the American Association for the Advancement of Science for its "profound dishonesty" and condemned by the Anti-Defamation League for its "outrageous" misuse of the Holocaust to "tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution." (NCSE's Expelled Exposed provides a collection of reviews, commentary, and resources documenting the extensive problems with Expelled.) Caveat emptor! http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Expelled:_Leader's_Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsnight Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, llap said: Of course the documentary is garbage and the final Q&A utterly retarded. But it does include genuine examples of academic suppression in science. That's rather like having your cake and eating it isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I am your God now, foolish mortals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 hours ago, llap said: On the contrary, I welcome them being challenged. I buy all the atheist books. I don't like suppression in science and academia of non-atheistic inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 3 hours ago, newsnight said: I was being somwhat flippant, I liked the expression on the dogs face. So you appear to be having a hard time with the atheist fundamentals, do they come round to your house and doorstep you, have they accosted you in the street in pairs, are they trying to get you to join up in their atheist fundamentalist organisation, do tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just to mention that Spiritualism is an officially recognised religion and its churches were licensed for weddings long before many other venues had a licence...The Home Office has a list of Spiritualist "Ministers".....This formalisation was made necessary through legislation and Spiritualism was basically required to arrange a code of "Belief" which has been codified by some as "The Seven Principles of Spiritualism"...Since then spiritual services as charged for or donations expected have become subject to trading standards...The link below may explain... https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjUxa-wkqfUAhWMKMAKHV-uAAIQFgg1MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk%2F2008%2Fapr%2F06%2Feu&usg=AFQjCNEI6JEOJBkGUyrTz61rT7TUYI6NBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, newsnight said: That's rather like having your cake and eating it isn't it? Yes, I do rather enjoy a good cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Just to mention that Spiritualism is an officially recognised religion and its churches were licensed for weddings long before many other venues had a licence...The Home Office has a list of Spiritualist "Ministers".....This formalisation was made necessary through legislation and Spiritualism was basically required to arrange a code of "Belief" which has been codified by some as "The Seven Principles of Spiritualism"...Since then spiritual services as charged for or donations expected have become subject to trading standards...The link below may explain... https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjUxa-wkqfUAhWMKMAKHV-uAAIQFgg1MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk%2F2008%2Fapr%2F06%2Feu&usg=AFQjCNEI6JEOJBkGUyrTz61rT7TUYI6NBA The "Spiritualism" you refer to are a bunch of tossers who make me cringe to even use the word spiritual or spirituality in case anyone confuses it for the crap taught by "Spiritualism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, llap said: The "Spiritualism" you refer to are a bunch of tossers who make me cringe to even use the word spiritual or spirituality in case anyone confuses it for the crap taught by "Spiritualism". Spiritualism is the "ism" of being spiritual and not to be confused with psychics and if they are tossers how come their Ministers are listed by the Home Office? They are on par with priests, parsons, vicars etc...Now Google the British Library and enter my name in the main catalogue to see how much work I have researched on the subject....Or the Bodleian Library at Oxford which requested free copies of my work...Not mass publishing but my work is out there circulating...I hink Trinity College Dublin asked for copies as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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