Nomadic Raptor Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I was reading this morning at nobles hospital now only has 7 consultants. Does anyone know what those consultants are in? I have to say this island is going down hill so so fast and as a “young person” I worry about the 5hit hole we are going to inherit from our current leaders. i can’t remember exactly so excuse me but I heard that in uk if you had a heart attack you have a 70-80% chance of surviving but on this island “a world leader” it’s more like 50-60% ( I know my figures are wrong but you know what I mean). the infrastructure is crap....have you seen the state of the roads, schools are going down hill as the same quality isn’t there, as classes and schools get mixed. Its not a case that the island population is booming. but as long as those farmers at the top who are only interested in themselves are ok then it’s fine. Super rich don’t need to worry as if they need anything they will just go off island. the rest of us.....sorry guys we are 5ucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 https://www.gov.im/categories/health-and-wellbeing/hospitals-and-emergency-treatment/nobles-hospital/consultants-list-and-team-contacts/ Here you are. There seem to be a lot more than seven, if the figures are up to date and going by the convention that consultants are known by Mr/Mrs/Ms rather than Dr. I make it 21. Can you link to the thing you were reading that states that there are 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The information has probably come from this report. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/consultants-leaving-nobles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 There used to be some 40 odd consultants in Nobles, so given the Manx Radio FOI request states some 36 have left in the last 5 years, the claim that only 7 remain could be correct if they are referring to the 'original' total. However, it would have helped if the article had stated how many full time employed consultants and many locums there are currently employed. Nevertheless, by any measure Nobles is in a mess. Arguably, the most recent downward slide started when Quayle took the helm in 2014 and first appointed Mark Charters as CEO. They cleared out a number of 'seasoned personnel' who Quayle did not like or who he had been told by COMIN were useless and replaced them with 'friends from across' or 'wannabees' from other parts of the Manx public sector who believed running health services is easy. Such individuals quickly found working in health care, is an art, not a science. Regrettably health still has an abundance of clinical egos that clash with each other with the poor patient sitting in the middle as the recipient of services that if straightforward and easy are, often after a long wait, carried out locally, or if more complex, are shipped across to the UK NHS. Added to which byzantine policies and procedures are rarely reviewed as they allow circumvention by certain clinicians who can offer services privately to those that can afford to pay. As to the rest of the public sector we citizens are but the recipients of inept politicians and ineffectual senior civil servants, few of whom properly understand the workings of the Department they are in. As the CEO's tenure is partly at the behest of the respective Minister who is legally accountable for their Department, the CEO's generally do what the Minister says. Anyone that shows any talent, innovation or entrepreneurial tendencies have these actively suppressed and consequently such individuals 'up sticks' and go elsewhere. But are we any different to other nations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, guzzi said: https://www.gov.im/categories/health-and-wellbeing/hospitals-and-emergency-treatment/nobles-hospital/consultants-list-and-team-contacts/ Here you are. There seem to be a lot more than seven, if the figures are up to date and going by the convention that consultants are known by Mr/Mrs/Ms rather than Dr. I make it 21. Can you link to the thing you were reading that states that there are 7? The Dr/Mr thing is nothing to do with consultant status. It’s to do with historic divisions in medicine. Surgeons operated, cut people up, amputated. They weren’t medically qualified, they were barbers, barber surgeons. So they weren’t entitled to the title of Dr. The titular distinction remains. The press report is clearly wrong. There are more than 7. Maybe they meant only 7 left of the ones employed 5 years ago. But those departing have been replaced or there are locums, or recruitment is ongoing. Ive seen 5 different consultants at Nobles in the last 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallaDoc Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I remember t' days when Noble's Hospital were at Westmoreland Road. There were room for 3 cars in t' staff car park so we had to take it in turns parking. You could walk into town for a few pints at t' British at lunchtime and be back in time do a full afternoon's theatre list. Cockroaches in t' kitchen were something else, go in there at night wi' t' light off and you'd think you were walking on eggshells. Aye, them were happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Shame that Mr Tebala left. https://www.acpgbi.org.uk/patients/surgeon-directory/giovanni-tebala/ Real cutting edge advanced surgeon and no pun intended. http://www.bowelsurgery.im/about-me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, TheTeapot said: The information has probably come from this report. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/consultants-leaving-nobles/ Were any of them encouraged to leave following the management shake out? There had been plenty of murmurings of work not up to standard in some areas so we can't claim bad news both ways. Can't moan about how awful it is that we have people doing poor work in our hospital and also moan about how awful it is that they've left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Tebala saved my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, quilp said: Tabala saved my life. He did the same for a close relative of mine. And in the least intrusive way possible, procedure in the morning and discharged by 2pm. Would have been in the gym by 7pm if I hadn't put my foot down to forbid it. He is a massive loss to the Island. A very similar procedure under the previous chap 4 years earlier had been open surgery, intensive care and a fortnight in hospital. Not ungrateful for that at the time, but my goodness, the experiences were light years apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, quilp said: Tabala saved my life. Can't claim that but found him helpful and professional when I saw him ( privately as was advised that there was a considerable wait for a NHS endoscopy). He was a bargain compared to the chap who did the biopsy report . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 hours ago, quilp said: Tabala saved my life. they'll pay one day, did they stop hitting you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 hours ago, woolley said: Shame that Mr Tebala left. https://www.acpgbi.org.uk/patients/surgeon-directory/giovanni-tebala/ Real cutting edge advanced surgeon and no pun intended. http://www.bowelsurgery.im/about-me His departure is close to disastrous - and I only learned of it very recently. He was outstanding in his clinical services/skills to three of my closest friends. I’m aware of at least one senior Consultant anaesthetist at Nobles who openly says that Tabala is the best surgeon they’ve ever worked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Galen said: There used to be some 40 odd consultants in Nobles, so given the Manx Radio FOI request states some 36 have left in the last 5 years, the claim that only 7 remain could be correct if they are referring to the 'original' total. However, it would have helped if the article had stated how many full time employed consultants and many locums there are currently employed. Nevertheless, by any measure Nobles is in a mess. Arguably, the most recent downward slide started when Quayle took the helm in 2014 and first appointed Mark Charters as CEO. They cleared out a number of 'seasoned personnel' who Quayle did not like or who he had been told by COMIN were useless and replaced them with 'friends from across' or 'wannabees' from other parts of the Manx public sector who believed running health services is easy. Such individuals quickly found working in health care, is an art, not a science. Regrettably health still has an abundance of clinical egos that clash with each other with the poor patient sitting in the middle as the recipient of services that if straightforward and easy are, often after a long wait, carried out locally, or if more complex, are shipped across to the UK NHS. Added to which byzantine policies and procedures are rarely reviewed as they allow circumvention by certain clinicians who can offer services privately to those that can afford to pay. As to the rest of the public sector we citizens are but the recipients of inept politicians and ineffectual senior civil servants, few of whom properly understand the workings of the Department they are in. As the CEO's tenure is partly at the behest of the respective Minister who is legally accountable for their Department, the CEO's generally do what the Minister says. Anyone that shows any talent, innovation or entrepreneurial tendencies have these actively suppressed and consequently such individuals 'up sticks' and go elsewhere. But are we any different to other nations ? (All) These sentiments are precisely what I’ve heard from many Nobles nurses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, Uhtred said: His departure is close to disastrous - and I only learned of it very recently. He was outstanding in his clinical services/skills to three of my closest friends. I’m aware of at least one senior Consultant anaesthetist at Nobles who openly says that Tabala is the best surgeon they’ve ever worked with. Any information as to the cause of his departure? We seem to be losing what notable quality we have what with this and Ms Bello? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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